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by wonko＠4amlunch.net

I'm trying to build simh (3.9-0) out of ports and it refuses to find VDE. I *kinda* think it's not looking in /usr/local for it? That's just a guess. Anyone have any tips for making this work? -brian ps: if it doesn't I can live. I figured out what the tap issue was. I needed to use tap:tap1 instead of just tap1 in the attach xq line.

12 years, 3 months

Need VMS VAX ISO

by system＠TMESIS.COM

h vlems <hvlems at zonnet.nl> writes: <head></head><body data-blackberry-caret-color=3D"#00a8df" style=3D"backgro= und-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); line-height: initial;"><div style=3D"width: = 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; co= lor: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255,= 255);">True (about the suits that is). How did your lmf workaround look li= ke? </div><div style=3D"width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: = Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: init= ial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Did you replace an RTL function= or a program that gets interrogated to check whether a license is loaded?<= /div> = It looked better than your HTML-fied email. Where's the plain-text part of your multi-part? As for the "workaround"... I can not tell a lie, that'd be a lei. ;) -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.

12 years, 3 months

Need VMS VAX ISO

by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

I should have used 'if' not 'when', Dave Van: Dave McGuire Verzonden: zondag 19 mei 2013 22:52 PM Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Need VMS VAX ISO On 05/19/2013 08:51 PM, h vlems wrote: > When HP pulls the plug on the hobbyist scheme, or VMS, I hope you will be > able to help us out! Have there been any indications of that happening? Besides, PAK generators have been floating around since the dawn of time. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

12 years, 3 months

Need VMS VAX ISO

by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

Ah, now that is a familiar symptom... Van: Dave McGuire Verzonden: maandag 20 mei 2013 00:18 PM Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Need VMS VAX ISO On 05/19/2013 06:15 PM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote: >> It may be related to distrust of the Suits at Big Companies. > > In this case, size doesn't matter. Suits are never to be trusted! 100% with you on that. I still wince every time I sit down. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

12 years, 3 months

Need VMS VAX ISO

by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

True (about the suits that is). How did your lmf workaround look like? Did you replace an RTL function or a program that gets interrogated to check whether a license is loaded? Van: Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- Verzonden: maandag 20 mei 2013 00:15 PM Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Need VMS VAX ISO "Cory Smelosky" <b4 at gewt.net> writes: >It may be related to distrust of the Suits at Big Companies. In this case, size doesn't matter. Suits are never to be trusted! -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.

12 years, 3 months

Need VMS VAX ISO

by b4＠gewt.net

On Mon, 20 May 2013, h vlems wrote: The background for my remark: there used to be a tru64 hobbyist program. Not free, $200 IIRC. It no longer exists. The same may happen to VMS. I still use VMS in a productive way, e.g. checking C programs that run on other platforms. I just don't trust HP, is all. Hans I don't trust HP either... The definition of a pessimist: a realist.... Van: Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- Verzonden: zondag 19 mei 2013 23:41 PM Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Need VMS VAX ISO Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> writes: >On 05/19/2013 08:51 PM, h vlems wrote: >> When HP pulls the plug on the hobbyist scheme, or VMS, I hope you will be >> able to help us out! > > Have there been any indications of that happening? Like I just said, the negativity in this space never ceases to amaze me. > Besides, PAK generators have been floating around since the dawn of time. You don't even need that. The LMF is surprisingly simple to circumvent. I was able to disable it within about 5 mins. of first booting VMS V5.0 here. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity. -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments

12 years, 3 months

Need VMS VAX ISO

by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

The background for my remark: there used to be a tru64 hobbyist program. Not free, $200 IIRC. It no longer exists. The same may happen to VMS. I still use VMS in a productive way, e.g. checking C programs that run on other platforms. I just don't trust HP, is all. Hans The definition of a pessimist: a realist.... Van: Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- Verzonden: zondag 19 mei 2013 23:41 PM Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Need VMS VAX ISO Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> writes: >On 05/19/2013 08:51 PM, h vlems wrote: >> When HP pulls the plug on the hobbyist scheme, or VMS, I hope you will be >> able to help us out! > > Have there been any indications of that happening? Like I just said, the negativity in this space never ceases to amaze me. > Besides, PAK generators have been floating around since the dawn of time. You don't even need that. The LMF is surprisingly simple to circumvent. I was able to disable it within about 5 mins. of first booting VMS V5.0 here. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.

12 years, 3 months

Another sillyness. More information in the nodename database on MIM.

by mholmes10＠hotmail.com

My info for area 39 39.1 MASON AlphaServer 800 5/333 VMS 8.3 39.10 ROXY DEC 3000-300X VMS 7.2-1 Soon to be online after disk and fan upgrade. 39.11 BOSCO MULTIA VX40 VMS 7.2-1 Location : Alexandria, VA (Washington DC metro area) USA

12 years, 3 months

CSV Proposal

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-05-19 20:07, Sampsa Laine wrote: On 19 May 2013, at 20:03, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Sun, 19 May 2013, Sampsa Laine wrote: On 19 May 2013, at 19:58, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: #6 is a provlem I've noticed with INFO.TXT. There's no order. When me and Steve Davidson originally thought of adding parseable info to INFO.TXT we had the idea that the file itself would be free-form text with a machine parseable block at the end, with delimiters. If you look at http://rhesus.sampsa.com/cgi-bin/hecnetinfo/hecnetinfo.com?q=chimpy you'll see what I mean, there's a clearly defined block of machine readable CSV at the end. How many people followed that though? No idea - I don't think anyone ever wrote a parser. But here's a brief outline of how I think this should work: 1. Someone (=me) defines the CSV format formally in a document 2. This document is passed around and corrected until majority is happy with it 3. Someone (=brian) writes a parser 4. People nominate boxes from where their INFO.TXTs should be pulled (one can cover a whole area or even more) 5. This is integrated into the DB using the parser from 3 periodically. My biggest issues already mentioned earlier are no nearer a solution here, so I'm not sure I really see any wins for my pet project in doing this. I have an issue about data content consistency. OS, machine and location information can vary so wildly it is pretty much useless in a distributed solution as suggested here, except for people to try and ready and skim through for fun. It will not even be easy for humans to search through to find something specific. And locations are totally wild. Also, this do in no way ensure that data is valid or up to date. In fact, as things stands now, it has less odds of getting it right than my stupid solution of just entering the data myself, as people in general do report when they add a new machine to HECnet, if they want anyone else to know about the nodename. Collecting extra information at that stage is not a big problem. This also do not ensure that data gets updated when people move, but moving don't happen frequently, and also even having any data in there is voluntary to start with, so I guess it's as good as I can expect it to get. Basically, what you are advocating is the already existing solution of the INFO.TXT files, which I already have stated that I personally don't feel fits my needs. I don't mind trying to update my own INFO.TXT file whenever, but I'm sure the format is wrong, and I definitely do not put all machines in there (and I don't think I've seen many others doing either), and I definitely do not remember to update that information. But, like I said a number of times now, it's just that I went off on a tangent on a pet project of mine, and asked people to volunteer information for it. I'm trying to make it useful, but mostly just for my own amusement to see what I can accomplish. (Hey, give me a chance to do something under RSX, and I will...) Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

12 years, 3 months

CSV Proposal

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-05-19 18:47, Ian McLaughlin wrote: On 2013-05-19, at 9:34 AM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: I honestly don't know what I think on that subject. Or, actually, I do. I think it would be even better to just have key-value pairs. Why overcomplicate things? Any unknown key is just ignored. We could expand with new keys without having the code synced. And then the values can hold any character except newline. You mean just like a Windows .ini file? (ducks) I have no clue about windows .ini files... Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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