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Call for help to debug RTPAD.EXE on OpenVMS V8.3

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-05-20 23:34, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote: On May 20, 2013, at 3:47 PM, G. wrote: On Mon, 20 May 2013 21:10:18 +0200, Johnny Billquist wrote: Using the various implementations in RSX, I can tell that it's not RSTS/E-like, but TOPS-20. Actually I do not really know which seems which: I based my assumptions on something from Paul Koening I might have misread or misremembered... :P Bit rotting is a big issue of mine :) Thanks, but in this case the mistake is probably mine. I would have guessed that TOPS-10 used the RSTS flavor of RTERM. Johnny's experiment certainly says otherwise. It does, but I would be careful about saying it's absolutely conclusive. First of all, do RSTS/E have more than one remote terminal protocol implementation? Second, the RRS application (which connects to RSTS/E systems) might be checking explicitly for RSTS/E, while it might otherwise have worked just fine against TOPS-10. The TOPS-20 application did work just fine against TOPS-10. No denying that one. But I really do not know what the different programs do under the hood. Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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Call for help to debug RTPAD.EXE on OpenVMS V8.3

by Paul_Koning＠Dell.com

On May 20, 2013, at 3:47 PM, G. wrote: On Mon, 20 May 2013 21:10:18 +0200, Johnny Billquist wrote: Using the various implementations in RSX, I can tell that it's not RSTS/E-like, but TOPS-20. Actually I do not really know which seems which: I based my assumptions on something from Paul Koening I might have misread or misremembered... :P Bit rotting is a big issue of mine :) Thanks, but in this case the mistake is probably mine. I would have guessed that TOPS-10 used the RSTS flavor of RTERM. Johnny's experiment certainly says otherwise. paul

12 years, 5 months

Call for help to debug RTPAD.EXE on OpenVMS V8.3

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-05-20 21:51, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2013-05-20 21:47, G. wrote: On Mon, 20 May 2013 17:20:22 +0200, Johnny Billquist wrote: Port the Linux one to VMS? Probably not something I'd recomment... :-) Why not? I'm not a C expert at all (I mean I know almost nothing). Do you think it would be unfeasible or overly clumsy? I wonder if there is something useful in the freeware or DECUS tapes... But it may took ages to find it. :| Well, first of all, the API as well as some basic paradigms are rather different in Linux than in VMS. Porting anything non-trivial from Unix to VMS often is headaches. Second, while I have not looked at xterm/rterm specifically, I have had big issues with DECnet applications in Linux in the past. They seem to work fairly ok against VMS systems, but almost all have failed miserably when I have tried them against an RSX system. cterm/rterm, not xterm. :-) Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

12 years, 5 months

Call for help to debug RTPAD.EXE on OpenVMS V8.3

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-05-20 21:47, G. wrote: On Mon, 20 May 2013 17:20:22 +0200, Johnny Billquist wrote: Port the Linux one to VMS? Probably not something I'd recomment... :-) Why not? I'm not a C expert at all (I mean I know almost nothing). Do you think it would be unfeasible or overly clumsy? I wonder if there is something useful in the freeware or DECUS tapes... But it may took ages to find it. :| Well, first of all, the API as well as some basic paradigms are rather different in Linux than in VMS. Porting anything non-trivial from Unix to VMS often is headaches. Second, while I have not looked at xterm/rterm specifically, I have had big issues with DECnet applications in Linux in the past. They seem to work fairly ok against VMS systems, but almost all have failed miserably when I have tried them against an RSX system. Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

12 years, 5 months

Call for help to debug RTPAD.EXE on OpenVMS V8.3

by gerry77＠mail.com

On Mon, 20 May 2013 17:20:22 +0200, Johnny Billquist wrote: Port the Linux one to VMS? Probably not something I'd recomment... :-) Why not? I'm not a C expert at all (I mean I know almost nothing). Do you think it would be unfeasible or overly clumsy? I wonder if there is something useful in the freeware or DECUS tapes... But it may took ages to find it. :| G.

12 years, 5 months

Call for help to debug RTPAD.EXE on OpenVMS V8.3

by gerry77＠mail.com

On Mon, 20 May 2013 21:10:18 +0200, Johnny Billquist wrote: Using the various implementations in RSX, I can tell that it's not RSTS/E-like, but TOPS-20. Actually I do not really know which seems which: I based my assumptions on something from Paul Koening I might have misread or misremembered... :P Bit rotting is a big issue of mine :) G.

12 years, 5 months

SIMH + VDE Part 2

by wonko＠4amlunch.net

On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 09:27:51PM +0200, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote: Add also: OS_CCDEFS += -I/usr/local/include I just remembered I had to do the same to get vde caught in the macOS build. That did the trick! VAX simulator V3.9-0 sim> attach xq vde:/tmp/switch1 libpcap version 1.2.1 Eth: opened OS device vde:/tmp/switch1 sim> Now to beat dynamips about the head until it works with VDE. -brian

12 years, 5 months

Call for help to debug RTPAD.EXE on OpenVMS V8.3

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On 20 May 2013, at 15:05, "G." <gerry77 at mail.com> wrote: On Mon, 20 May 2013 18:00:51 -0000, Cory Smelosky wrote: $ set host/app=rterm 9.10 %REM-I-CONNECTION, connection made using RTERM protocol %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual address=000052D800008AA6, PC=000052D800008AA6, PS=0000001B Which architecture, version and patches? 8-) 8.4, Alpha, no patches. G. Hello! Are you sure about those things? Then what is it wearing on its knees? Now as to your earlier problem: I had a certain droid turn it off. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

12 years, 5 months

SIMH + VDE Part 2

by jg＠jordi.guillaumes.name

El 20/05/2013, a les 21:25, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> va escriure: On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 09:14:07PM +0200, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote: Ouch! Please check if there is a different package for "devel" in the FreeBSD ports tree. There is one for linux, and you need to install the -devel one to be able to compile simh. FreeBSD doesn't have such silliness. :) The header files are there, it just looks like INCPATH isn't working as I don't see -I/usr/local/include in the output. Add also: OS_CCDEFS += -I/usr/local/include I just remembered I had to do the same to get vde caught in the macOS build. -brian Jordi Guillaumes i Pons jg at jordi.guillaumes.name HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES

12 years, 5 months

SIMH + VDE Part 2

by wonko＠4amlunch.net

On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 09:14:07PM +0200, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote: Ouch! Please check if there is a different package for "devel" in the FreeBSD ports tree. There is one for linux, and you need to install the -devel one to be able to compile simh. FreeBSD doesn't have such silliness. :) The header files are there, it just looks like INCPATH isn't working as I don't see -I/usr/local/include in the output. -brian

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