On 11 Oct 2013, at 01:52, Daniel Soderstrom <snaggs at mac.com> wrote:
http://www.artmix.com/SATA_SCSI_AZMN_II_1.html
This adapter is available on ebay for $149 and he says they work well in Vaxstations. He also has some which take CF flash cards.
Which is great, but again you run in to the snag that I've never seen a SATA disk smaller than 40GB and the upper size limit on a VAXstation is typically 18GB. Somewhat problematic.
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http://www.artmix.com/SATA_SCSI_AZMN_II_1.html
This adapter is available on ebay for $149 and he says they work well in Vaxstations. He also has some which take CF flash cards.
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On 11 Oct 2013, at 12:33 am, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Iirc solid-state SCSI drives existed.
They did, and they still exist. They tend to be industrial grade stuff,
however and also tend to be silly expensive.
Yeah.
It's unfortunate, really. :(]
Yeah. :(
Sounds like a business opportunity, basically build an enclosure, get 5-6 consumer SSDs, RAID6 them, expose a SCSI/SAS/eSATA interface to the host. If one of the drives breaks/runs out of write cycles, the box indicates the slot and we provide a new SSD for the slot.
Sampsa
On 10/10/2013 17:50, Kari Uusim ki wrote:
On 10.10.2013 18:19, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote:
On Oct 10, 2013, at 10:35 AM, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net<mailto:wonko at 4amlunch.net>> wrote:
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 02:32:26PM +0000, Paul_Koning at Dell.com<mailto:Paul_Koning at Dell.com> wrote:
...
Then there is the Gigaswitch, a large modular chassis with lots of line cards, some FDDI, some Ethernet, possibly some with other stuff I don't remember.
I think this is the one I had. Big modular thing. Maybe (and going by
really fuzzy memory here) 8U high?
I was going to say "that sounds right" based on my memory of seeing one gathering dust around here. But the picture here: http://www.global-itcorp.com/products/digital-dec/networking/gigaswitch/ shows a much taller enclosure, half line card space and half power supply. Each section does look like 8U or so.
Some searching turns up refurbished Gigaswitch modules. Some are pretty cheap, but it looks like those are ATM ones, the FDDI ones I see quoted are more expensive. Perhaps because FDDI was fairly successful at least for a short time, while ATM (as a LAN) was an utter failure.
paul
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Quite so, the Gigaswitch FDDI is large. The measurements are: 35.25" x 19.95" x 19.50" and the weight is 192lbs. The power consuption is about 1000W depending on the amount of line cards.
There are FDDI fiber and twisted pair line cards and 100BaseT line cards.
Many operators used to have those at the time and the later ATM versions as well.
Kari
Here is the product specification for the 900FX: http://h21007.www2.hp.com/portal/download/dspp/files/unprotected/partners/5…
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On 10/10/2013 17:50, Kari Uusim ki wrote:
On 10.10.2013 18:19, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote:
On Oct 10, 2013, at 10:35 AM, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net<mailto:wonko at 4amlunch.net>> wrote:
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 02:32:26PM +0000, Paul_Koning at Dell.com<mailto:Paul_Koning at Dell.com> wrote:
...
Then there is the Gigaswitch, a large modular chassis with lots of line cards, some FDDI, some Ethernet, possibly some with other stuff I don't remember.
I think this is the one I had. Big modular thing. Maybe (and going by
really fuzzy memory here) 8U high?
I was going to say "that sounds right" based on my memory of seeing one gathering dust around here. But the picture here: http://www.global-itcorp.com/products/digital-dec/networking/gigaswitch/ shows a much taller enclosure, half line card space and half power supply. Each section does look like 8U or so.
Some searching turns up refurbished Gigaswitch modules. Some are pretty cheap, but it looks like those are ATM ones, the FDDI ones I see quoted are more expensive. Perhaps because FDDI was fairly successful at least for a short time, while ATM (as a LAN) was an utter failure.
paul
.
Quite so, the Gigaswitch FDDI is large. The measurements are: 35.25" x 19.95" x 19.50" and the weight is 192lbs. The power consuption is about 1000W depending on the amount of line cards.
There are FDDI fiber and twisted pair line cards and 100BaseT line cards.
Many operators used to have those at the time and the later ATM versions as well.
Kari
This brochure would also point to the 900FX as a viable solution:
http://www.carotek.com/tennessee_contract/Product%20Information/DigitalNetw…
viewing the table at the end.
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On 10/10/2013 17:50, Kari Uusim ki wrote:
On 10.10.2013 18:19, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote:
On Oct 10, 2013, at 10:35 AM, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net<mailto:wonko at 4amlunch.net>> wrote:
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 02:32:26PM +0000, Paul_Koning at Dell.com<mailto:Paul_Koning at Dell.com> wrote:
...
Then there is the Gigaswitch, a large modular chassis with lots of line cards, some FDDI, some Ethernet, possibly some with other stuff I don't remember.
I think this is the one I had. Big modular thing. Maybe (and going by
really fuzzy memory here) 8U high?
I was going to say "that sounds right" based on my memory of seeing one gathering dust around here. But the picture here: http://www.global-itcorp.com/products/digital-dec/networking/gigaswitch/ shows a much taller enclosure, half line card space and half power supply. Each section does look like 8U or so.
Some searching turns up refurbished Gigaswitch modules. Some are pretty cheap, but it looks like those are ATM ones, the FDDI ones I see quoted are more expensive. Perhaps because FDDI was fairly successful at least for a short time, while ATM (as a LAN) was an utter failure.
paul
.
Quite so, the Gigaswitch FDDI is large. The measurements are: 35.25" x 19.95" x 19.50" and the weight is 192lbs. The power consuption is about 1000W depending on the amount of line cards.
There are FDDI fiber and twisted pair line cards and 100BaseT line cards.
Many operators used to have those at the time and the later ATM versions as well.
Kari
This sounds like it might be the right solution for me?
http://www.pyramiddec.com/shop/FDDI-to-Fast-Ethernet-Gateway.asp?id=dvnfx-mx
VNswitch900FX, FDDI/FE swt 1 FDDI and 2 FE port switch.
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Yes, if you include a <canvas> element and call a JS function with the id
of the canvas and the file to display. I only need to clean up the code!
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 09:40:16PM +0200, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Cool so it would be possible to include the JS on an arbitrary page and display SIXEL graphics using it?
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
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On 10 Oct 2013, at 20:25, Erik Olofsen <e.olofsen at xs4all.nl> wrote:
Perhaps I made a few improvements!
The buttons load a real sixel file instead of a Javascript string.
http://rullf2.xs4all.nl/sg/sg.html
On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 10:17:28PM +0200, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I meant in a browser, so you'd have a script that you can call to display SIXEL images
stored on a server, like <IMG> tags but using JS function calls instead :)
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
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On 9 Oct 2013, at 22:15, Erik Olofsen <e.olofsen at xs4all.nl> wrote:
I use SpiderMonkey for stand-alone Javascript - adding a ppm output
function would not be difficult!
On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 10:12:36PM +0200, Sampsa Laine wrote:
A JS library that could display SIXEL images would be pretty awesome though :)
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 9 Oct 2013, at 22:11, Erik Olofsen <e.olofsen at xs4all.nl> wrote:
With a little effort, I could write a tool to convert sixel to ppm...
Perhaps in C, so that it would work as a foreign command under VMS.
A plugin would be more difficult...
On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 07:32:48PM +0200, Sampsa Laine wrote:
That's awesome!
I wonder if we could turn this into a SIXEL decoding plugin for websites somehow..
So you could have a whole bunch of SIXEL images on a website, an INDEX.HTML that imports this javascript and then displays the images?
Because I haven't found any utilities to convert images FROM sixel to other formats, just one to convert netpbm -> sixel.
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
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On 9 Oct 2013, at 19:28, Erik Olofsen <e.olofsen at xs4all.nl> wrote:
Hi Sampsa,
At http://rullf2.xs4all.nl/sg/sg.html
type
js> load('monkey.js')
js> display(s$)
It needs 'continue script' once or twice.
:)
Erik
On Tue, Oct 08, 2013 at 04:06:36PM +0200, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 8 Oct 2013, at 16:03, Erik Olofsen <e.olofsen at xs4all.nl> wrote:
Hi all,
For those interested in Sixels, I ported the code (quick and dirty)
from ftp://ftp.cs.utk.edu/pub/shuford/terminal/all_about_sixels.txt
to Javascript and combined it with Flot and a JQuery terminal:
http://rullf2.xs4all.nl/sg/sg.html
You then get a Javascript terminal, with a display function; some examples:
js> example$
js> display(example$)
js> display(Array(5).join('CA at ACGOG'))
js> display('HECNET')
and
js> display(digital$)
Considering the run time to display the latter image, photos should
perhaps not be too detailed...
Cool - any change you could add my logo (B&W picture of angry monkey from Family Guy)?
That would totally make my day.
On Oct 10, 2013, at 5:01 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 10/10/2013 04:51 PM, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote:
Is there a collection of 'standard' games for VMS (VAX or AXP) =
downloadable from somewhere?
What I'm referring to is something like the 'bsdgames' package available =
on most Linux distros..
VMS, as well as the hardware it runs on, was a relatively expensive in its
day. VMS systems were NOT purchased for games play. There are games that
were produced and submitted to DECUS, but there's never been any definitive
packaging thereof.
Then again, CDC Cyber systems are *way* more expensive than any VAX, and nevertheless much of the innovation in games (especially role playing games and multi-user interactive games) was done there.
(Read up on "PLATO" for the details.)
Very true, but to be fair, PLATO was a teaching system, aimed (mostly) at
children.
Yes, PLATO was intended as a teaching system. Children? Not quite. It was aimed initially at college students, subsequently to both younger and older age groups, from elementary school to adult education. I think the majority of it was high school and beyond.
For example, the FAA used to do a lot of training on PLATO, until quite recently in fact.
paul
On Oct 10, 2013, at 4:53 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Then again, CDC Cyber systems are *way* more expensive than any VAX, and nevertheless much of the innovation in games (especially role playing games and multi-user interactive games) was done there.
(Read up on "PLATO" for the details.)
Oh I signed up for an account on the Internet accessible PLATO, but haven't heard back from them. Awesome system though.
How long ago was that? If it's been more than a couple of weeks your request may have been lost. If so, let me know and I'll find out. (I'm one of the sysadmins, though I don't do the user list part.)
paul
Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> writes:
On 10/10/2013 05:03 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Not as much as one might think in that world, in most environments.
Somebody put a lot of effort into getting all these games going though:
http://decuslib.com/freeware/freewarev10/xgames/freeware_readme.txt
Yes. Compare that to the number of games available for, say, the Apple ][
platform.
The URL above is just a collection of X11 applications and games that
Patric Moreau ported to VMS. There were many more submissions to the
DECUS library.
That's certainly not all of the VMS Games. If you search, you'll even
find a PACMAN for VMS on the DECUSlib.com site.
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