SNA can run on multiple physical transports using the gateways.
Serial, X.25, network adapter (specialized), etc are available. The
SPD's specify what is supported. Like Johnny said however, finding
some of this hardware may be a problem. One of the SPD's mentions an intermediate server that I have never seen/heard of.
Sort of reminds me of the fun and games (not to mention expense) to get
SNA to talk to Netware.
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE on behalf of Sampsa Laine
Sent: Wed 10/21/2009 09:27
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Next retro comms project?
I thought SNA mostly ran on Token Ring or something?
On 21 Oct 2009, at 14:24, Johnny Billquist wrote:
There was a SNA product for RSX as well. Don't know if it required
special hardware as well.
But I very much doubt anyone will be able to find that now anyway. :-)
Johnny
Steve Davidson wrote:
It can via the gateway software. I see several and it appears that
many
(if not all) require specialized hardware for the interconnection. A
search for (vms sna gateway) will point you to the SPD's.
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Sampsa Laine
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 08:34
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Next retro comms project?
Can VMS talk SNA? If so, I'm in :)
Sampsa
On 21 Oct 2009, at 13:31, Fred wrote:
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Where should we go from here? Setting up our own virtual X.25
PSDN tunnelled over IP maybe? Something crazy with SNA?
SNA! SNA! :)
I could set up Hercules here running MVS 3.8J ... ;) I'm sure
the folks have been able to get SNA to work within the emulator.
I set up Hercules and MVS once, but other than a novelty, I
really didn't do much with it, because most of my associates
wouldn't know a mainframe if it ran them over. I think it would
be interesting to get something quasi-public (on HECmet) going.
Fred
----
Lets call it for what it is - "legacy" is a term that people use
in a
polite but derogatory manner to imply that the future direction they
prefer is not that which they view as the current direction.
I thought SNA mostly ran on Token Ring or something?
On 21 Oct 2009, at 14:24, Johnny Billquist wrote:
There was a SNA product for RSX as well. Don't know if it required special hardware as well.
But I very much doubt anyone will be able to find that now anyway. :-)
Johnny
Steve Davidson wrote:
It can via the gateway software. I see several and it appears that many
(if not all) require specialized hardware for the interconnection. A
search for (vms sna gateway) will point you to the SPD's.
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Sampsa Laine
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 08:34
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Next retro comms project?
Can VMS talk SNA? If so, I'm in :)
Sampsa
On 21 Oct 2009, at 13:31, Fred wrote:
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Where should we go from here? Setting up our own virtual X.25 PSDN tunnelled over IP maybe? Something crazy with SNA?
SNA! SNA! :)
I could set up Hercules here running MVS 3.8J ... ;) I'm sure the folks have been able to get SNA to work within the emulator. I set up Hercules and MVS once, but other than a novelty, I really didn't do much with it, because most of my associates wouldn't know a mainframe if it ran them over. I think it would be interesting to get something quasi-public (on HECmet) going.
Fred
----
Lets call it for what it is - "legacy" is a term that people use in a
polite but derogatory manner to imply that the future direction they
prefer is not that which they view as the current direction.
There was a SNA product for RSX as well. Don't know if it required special hardware as well.
But I very much doubt anyone will be able to find that now anyway. :-)
Johnny
Steve Davidson wrote:
It can via the gateway software. I see several and it appears that many
(if not all) require specialized hardware for the interconnection. A
search for (vms sna gateway) will point you to the SPD's.
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Sampsa Laine
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 08:34
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Next retro comms project?
Can VMS talk SNA? If so, I'm in :)
Sampsa
On 21 Oct 2009, at 13:31, Fred wrote:
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Where should we go from here? Setting up our own virtual X.25 PSDN tunnelled over IP maybe? Something crazy with SNA?
SNA! SNA! :)
I could set up Hercules here running MVS 3.8J ... ;) I'm sure the folks have been able to get SNA to work within the emulator. I set up Hercules and MVS once, but other than a novelty, I really didn't do much with it, because most of my associates wouldn't know a mainframe if it ran them over. I think it would be interesting to get something quasi-public (on HECmet) going.
Fred
----
Lets call it for what it is - "legacy" is a term that people use in a
polite but derogatory manner to imply that the future direction they
prefer is not that which they view as the current direction.
It can via the gateway software. I see several and it appears that many
(if not all) require specialized hardware for the interconnection. A
search for (vms sna gateway) will point you to the SPD's.
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Sampsa Laine
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 08:34
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Next retro comms project?
Can VMS talk SNA? If so, I'm in :)
Sampsa
On 21 Oct 2009, at 13:31, Fred wrote:
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Where should we go from here? Setting up our own virtual X.25 PSDN
tunnelled over IP maybe? Something crazy with SNA?
SNA! SNA! :)
I could set up Hercules here running MVS 3.8J ... ;) I'm sure the
folks have been able to get SNA to work within the emulator. I set
up Hercules and MVS once, but other than a novelty, I really didn't
do much with it, because most of my associates wouldn't know a
mainframe if it ran them over. I think it would be interesting to
get something quasi-public (on HECmet) going.
Fred
----
Lets call it for what it is - "legacy" is a term that people use in a
polite but derogatory manner to imply that the future direction they
prefer is not that which they view as the current direction.
2009/10/21 Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com>:
I'm starting to get concerned that HECnet is almost running TOO well, i.e.
there's not much left to tweak :)
Where should we go from here? Setting up our own virtual X.25 PSDN tunnelled
over IP maybe? Something crazy with SNA?
Sampsa
I have got hold of DECNET for IRIX, but I can't seem to overcome the
flexlm license manager. If anyone knows more about this I'd love to
get it running.
Dan
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Ok, I'll take a peek later on today - I think I've seen something re: SNA on the HP VMS site.
Wonder how hard it would be to hack the bridge to forward SNA packets...
Hmmmmm. I never thought of it that way. I (perhaps not) naturally assumed that it would integrate with DECNet somehow ...
Let me know what if anything that you find.
Fred
Ok, I'll take a peek later on today - I think I've seen something re: SNA on the HP VMS site.
Wonder how hard it would be to hack the bridge to forward SNA packets...
On 21 Oct 2009, at 13:39, Fred wrote:
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Can VMS talk SNA? If so, I'm in :)
I'm replying to you directly so we don't over-pollute the HECNet list.
It's faster for you - could you look around the SPL you have on RHESUS:: and see if there is an SNA gateway? I could have swore I saw one when I copied ALL-IN-1 off there but I'm not sure ...
If so, we can look at the docs and see how nasty of a setup it is and whether it prefers VAX or Alpha. I have both, but as of right now only the Alpha is running 24/7 and on HECNet.
Fred
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Can VMS talk SNA? If so, I'm in :)
I'm replying to you directly so we don't over-pollute the HECNet list.
It's faster for you - could you look around the SPL you have on RHESUS:: and see if there is an SNA gateway? I could have swore I saw one when I copied ALL-IN-1 off there but I'm not sure ...
If so, we can look at the docs and see how nasty of a setup it is and whether it prefers VAX or Alpha. I have both, but as of right now only the Alpha is running 24/7 and on HECNet.
Fred
Can VMS talk SNA? If so, I'm in :)
Sampsa
On 21 Oct 2009, at 13:31, Fred wrote:
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Where should we go from here? Setting up our own virtual X.25 PSDN tunnelled over IP maybe? Something crazy with SNA?
SNA! SNA! :)
I could set up Hercules here running MVS 3.8J ... ;) I'm sure the folks have been able to get SNA to work within the emulator. I set up Hercules and MVS once, but other than a novelty, I really didn't do much with it, because most of my associates wouldn't know a mainframe if it ran them over. I think it would be interesting to get something quasi-public (on HECmet) going.
Fred
----
Lets call it for what it is - "legacy" is a term that people use in a
polite but derogatory manner to imply that the future direction they
prefer is not that which they view as the current direction.
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Where should we go from here? Setting up our own virtual X.25 PSDN tunnelled over IP maybe? Something crazy with SNA?
SNA! SNA! :)
I could set up Hercules here running MVS 3.8J ... ;) I'm sure the folks have been able to get SNA to work within the emulator. I set up Hercules and MVS once, but other than a novelty, I really didn't do much with it, because most of my associates wouldn't know a mainframe if it ran them over. I think it would be interesting to get something quasi-public (on HECmet) going.
Fred
----
Lets call it for what it is - "legacy" is a term that people use in a
polite but derogatory manner to imply that the future direction they
prefer is not that which they view as the current direction.
