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DEC Legacy Event, April 17th-18th 2010, Windermere, UK

by ian＠platinum.net

Thanks for the news. However, the URL appears to be wrong. It's: http://declegacy.org.uk Ian. On 2009-11-12, at 2:33 PM, Mark Wickens wrote: Hope you guys don't mind me posting my message to the list - hopefully it will be interesting to some. DEC Legacy Event, April 17th-18th 2010, Windermere, UK ------------------------------------------------------ The event venue has now been booked and I would therefore ask you to make a note of the event date, the weekend of April 17th & 18th 2010, in your diary. The event will take place at the Marchesi Centre, Windermere, UK from 09:00 to 17:00 on each day. Website URL: http://dec-legacy.org.uk The website will be updated with information about speakers and equipment that will be making an appearance. You can now purchase a ticket online using paypal or by cheque. Any proceeds after expenses will go to the National Museum of Computing at Bletchley Park. I highly recommend booking accommodation, if required, in good time as it does generally get booked up quickly in such a popular tourist destination. The Cumbria Tourist Site is http://www.golakes.co.uk/ Don't forget that this is a great place for partners and children to enjoy! If you know of anyone else that might be interested please feel free to forward this email on to them or ask them to contact me directly so I may update them of progress. If you are interested in making a presentation on any aspect of DIGITAL's company, hardware, software or anything else you think would make an interesting talk please do contact me so we can discuss it further. If you do not want to receive further emails please let me know and I will remove you from this mailing list. Regards, Mark Wickens --- Filter service subscribers can train this email as spam or not-spam here: http://my.email-as.net/spamham/cgi-bin/learn.pl?messageid=6E5835E6CFDB11DEA…

16 years, 1 month

DEC Legacy Event, April 17th-18th 2010, Windermere, UK

by mark＠wickensonline.co.uk

Hope you guys don't mind me posting my message to the list - hopefully it will be interesting to some. DEC Legacy Event, April 17th-18th 2010, Windermere, UK ------------------------------------------------------ The event venue has now been booked and I would therefore ask you to make a note of the event date, the weekend of April 17th & 18th 2010, in your diary. The event will take place at the Marchesi Centre, Windermere, UK from 09:00 to 17:00 on each day. Website URL: http://dec-legacy.org.uk The website will be updated with information about speakers and equipment that will be making an appearance. You can now purchase a ticket online using paypal or by cheque. Any proceeds after expenses will go to the National Museum of Computing at Bletchley Park. I highly recommend booking accommodation, if required, in good time as it does generally get booked up quickly in such a popular tourist destination. The Cumbria Tourist Site is http://www.golakes.co.uk/ Don't forget that this is a great place for partners and children to enjoy! If you know of anyone else that might be interested please feel free to forward this email on to them or ask them to contact me directly so I may update them of progress. If you are interested in making a presentation on any aspect of DIGITAL's company, hardware, software or anything else you think would make an interesting talk please do contact me so we can discuss it further. If you do not want to receive further emails please let me know and I will remove you from this mailing list. Regards, Mark Wickens

16 years, 1 month

Talking of other possible protocols

by gerry77＠mail.com

On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:28:33 +0100, you wrote: However, if you configure my bridge program for it, it can pass on LAT frames just as well as DECnet, and it works just fine. And the same goes for MOP, by the way. And, if someone really cares, the bridge could also pass LAST (InfoServer and maybe Pathworks) frames as well: just add Ethertype 0x8041 to its packet filter, but be sure to correct a little bug or it will not work: the *data member inside the DATA structure has to be declared unsigned. :-P Been there, done that: it's slow, but works like a champ. :-) Cheers, G.

16 years, 1 month

Talking of other possible protocols

by bqt＠softjar.se

Suitable is a difficult question. LAT was designed for local networks. There is no routing capability in it, and it relies on broadcast functionality to work. However, if you configure my bridge program for it, it can pass on LAT frames just as well as DECnet, and it works just fine. And the same goes for MOP, by the way. Johnny Mark Wickens wrote: Am I right in thinking that LAT is only suitable for the local network? I just tried Local> connect pdxvax from the DECserver 90M just for a laugh. Regards, Mark.

16 years, 1 month

Talking of other possible protocols

by bqt＠softjar.se

I think someone (can't remember who) tried to make a kind of map, where you also could see where in the physical world people were. Don't think it's up to date, though. I don't see a problem with giving out the list of endpoints that Update as in its bridge.conf program. Do anyone else feel that this would be a problem? Johnny Sampsa Laine wrote: Might it be an idea to maintain a map of existing connections to avoid this eventuality? Yes, I'm volunteering :) Feel free to send me your setup and I'll try to hack out a graphical map. Unless it's already been done, of course. Sampsa On 11 Nov 2009, at 16:21, Johnny Billquist wrote: And to be clear. When you talked LAT with London, the traffic actually passed through Uppsala, Sweden, on the way, since just about every bridge program that I know is using Uppsala as the other endpoint. This is not really neccesary, although having just one hop might be a good point in itself. But the bridge program can act as a chain of hops as well. The only restriction is that it don't have anything like STP, so if you create a loop, you are in big trouble. Johnny Steve Davidson wrote: In past I have used LAT (from NH, USA) to connect to CHIMPY (London, UK) and MIM. Johnny's bridge program is running on a NetBSD system between my DEClab LAN and MIM on the other end. It works just fine! -Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE on behalf of Sampsa Laine Sent: Tue 11/10/2009 10:23 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] Talking of other possible protocols But Johnny's bridge does however support bridging it so in practice it can be used for long distance connections on HECnet... Sampsa On 10 Nov 2009, at 15:21, Paul Koning wrote: Yes, LAT is a layer 2 protocol so it's not routable, and its timers and delay assumptions are for LANs, not for long distance networks. paul -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Mark Wickens Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:19 AM To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: [HECnet] Talking of other possible protocols Am I right in thinking that LAT is only suitable for the local network? I just tried Local> connect pdxvax from the DECserver 90M just for a laugh. Regards, Mark.

16 years, 1 month

Talking of other possible protocols

by sampsa＠mac.com

Might it be an idea to maintain a map of existing connections to avoid this eventuality? Yes, I'm volunteering :) Feel free to send me your setup and I'll try to hack out a graphical map. Unless it's already been done, of course. Sampsa On 11 Nov 2009, at 16:21, Johnny Billquist wrote: And to be clear. When you talked LAT with London, the traffic actually passed through Uppsala, Sweden, on the way, since just about every bridge program that I know is using Uppsala as the other endpoint. This is not really neccesary, although having just one hop might be a good point in itself. But the bridge program can act as a chain of hops as well. The only restriction is that it don't have anything like STP, so if you create a loop, you are in big trouble. Johnny Steve Davidson wrote: In past I have used LAT (from NH, USA) to connect to CHIMPY (London, UK) and MIM. Johnny's bridge program is running on a NetBSD system between my DEClab LAN and MIM on the other end. It works just fine! -Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE on behalf of Sampsa Laine Sent: Tue 11/10/2009 10:23 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] Talking of other possible protocols But Johnny's bridge does however support bridging it so in practice it can be used for long distance connections on HECnet... Sampsa On 10 Nov 2009, at 15:21, Paul Koning wrote: Yes, LAT is a layer 2 protocol so it's not routable, and its timers and delay assumptions are for LANs, not for long distance networks. paul -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Mark Wickens Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:19 AM To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: [HECnet] Talking of other possible protocols Am I right in thinking that LAT is only suitable for the local network? I just tried Local> connect pdxvax from the DECserver 90M just for a laugh. Regards, Mark.

16 years, 1 month

Talking of other possible protocols

by bqt＠softjar.se

And to be clear. When you talked LAT with London, the traffic actually passed through Uppsala, Sweden, on the way, since just about every bridge program that I know is using Uppsala as the other endpoint. This is not really neccesary, although having just one hop might be a good point in itself. But the bridge program can act as a chain of hops as well. The only restriction is that it don't have anything like STP, so if you create a loop, you are in big trouble. Johnny Steve Davidson wrote: In past I have used LAT (from NH, USA) to connect to CHIMPY (London, UK) and MIM. Johnny's bridge program is running on a NetBSD system between my DEClab LAN and MIM on the other end. It works just fine! -Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE on behalf of Sampsa Laine Sent: Tue 11/10/2009 10:23 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] Talking of other possible protocols But Johnny's bridge does however support bridging it so in practice it can be used for long distance connections on HECnet... Sampsa On 10 Nov 2009, at 15:21, Paul Koning wrote: Yes, LAT is a layer 2 protocol so it's not routable, and its timers and delay assumptions are for LANs, not for long distance networks. paul -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Mark Wickens Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:19 AM To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: [HECnet] Talking of other possible protocols Am I right in thinking that LAT is only suitable for the local network? I just tried Local> connect pdxvax from the DECserver 90M just for a laugh. Regards, Mark.

16 years, 1 month

Talking of other possible protocols

by jeep＠scshome.net

In past I have used LAT (from NH, USA) to connect to CHIMPY (London, UK) and MIM. Johnny's bridge program is running on a NetBSD system between my DEClab LAN and MIM on the other end. It works just fine! -Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE on behalf of Sampsa Laine Sent: Tue 11/10/2009 10:23 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] Talking of other possible protocols But Johnny's bridge does however support bridging it so in practice it can be used for long distance connections on HECnet... Sampsa On 10 Nov 2009, at 15:21, Paul Koning wrote: Yes, LAT is a layer 2 protocol so it's not routable, and its timers and delay assumptions are for LANs, not for long distance networks. paul -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Mark Wickens Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:19 AM To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: [HECnet] Talking of other possible protocols Am I right in thinking that LAT is only suitable for the local network? I just tried Local> connect pdxvax from the DECserver 90M just for a laugh. Regards, Mark.

16 years, 1 month

RHESUS is down

by christine.caulfield＠googlemail.com

You need to give your 'friend' a good shaking ... ;-) Chrissie On 11/11/09 01:43, Sampsa Laine wrote: Damn it, my friend has just cancelled on me again - sorry about jerking you around like this, I promise the trip will happen really soon now, just need to get my friend to commit properly to a date. Sampsa On 10 Nov 2009, at 15:45, Christine Caulfield wrote: Hiya, Yes, tomorrow afternoon would be fine. I've got someone calling round to collect an amplifier too, but I'm sure I can cope :-) Chrissie On 10/11/09 15:38, Sampsa Laine wrote: Christine, Would it be ok to come up tomorrow afternoon? Sampsa On 9 Nov 2009, at 09:22, Christine Caulfield wrote: Hiya I didn't see a reply, so I'm sending this again just in case ... Chrissie On 04/11/09 07:31, Christine Caulfield wrote: Hiya, By "this week" and "next week" do you mean "next week" and "the week after"? Cos I thought you were coming next week now anyway!! Well to be helpful ... next week (starting 9th) is fine Tuesday Wednesday & Friday. The week after (starting 16th) is OK Monday, Tuesday & Wednesday. The week after that (starting 23rd) is out completely unless you turn up around 9am in the morning. Weekends I can't do until ... hmm about March, and evenings are complicated and need to be organised near to the time. Can fit in with any of that ? Chrissie On 03/11/09 23:11, Sampsa Laine wrote: Christine, Terribly sorry about this, but turns out the guy I'm meant to drive down from Leeds can't make it this week - how is next week looking for you? Sampsa On 27 Oct 2009, at 15:37, Christine Caulfield wrote: Oh god, my boiler is the same. It used to crash every two or three weeks. And the plumber told me how to refill it and reset it. In the end it turned out to be a very slightly leaky radiator and it's been fine after that. I'm still supposed to check the pressure now and then though. /me goes off to do it while she remembers. Chrissie On 27/10/09 15:30, Sampsa Laine wrote: OK, cool, we'll synchronise schedules with my friend, probably come up on Wednesday or Friday (Wed ideally, I'm thinking the traffic into London on Friday might be a lot of Epic Phail). As for the boiler repair, it was free - only had it installed a few months back (behind my spare freezer, which isn't so great). Turns out it just needed a top-up - this involved the guy fiddling with two dials. Now the stupid thing cost me thousands AND has a computer already built in, how freaking hard can it be to make the topping-up thing automatic. Sampsa On 27 Oct 2009, at 15:27, Christine Caulfield wrote: Ahhh No problem. That week is fine apart from Monday and Thursday. I hope the boiler doesn't cost too much to fix :S Chrissie On 27/10/09 15:09, Sampsa Laine wrote: Oh crap, so it was - I ACTUALLY mean the week commencing the 9th - sorry about the confusion, been dealing with boiler repair guys all day. Sampsa On 27 Oct 2009, at 14:27, Christine Caulfield wrote: Hiya That's the week I thought you meant anyway! So that's fine. My address is 39 St James Terrace Horsforth Leeds LS18 5QT Phone 0113 2288310 Chrissie On 27/10/09 14:01, Sampsa Laine wrote: Actually, if you can hold on to them for another week - i.e. the week commencing 2 Nov, I'd be able to synchronise giving my friend a lift to London with the pick up. If this is a problem, no worries, I'll come up on next Thursday. sampsa On 27 Oct 2009, at 13:50, Christine Caulfield wrote: On 27/10/09 12:41, Sampsa Laine wrote: I'll take the VAXstation and Alpha PWS if you can spare them and the CD drives - as for pick up, well I'm between jobs so it's no biggie, could come up next week if that works for you. Yes, that's fine. I work from home so most days during the daytime will be OK, apart from Wednesday morning. Just give me a day or so's notice when you'll be here and I'll be ready. Chrissie

16 years, 1 month

RHESUS is down

by sampsa＠mac.com

Damn it, my friend has just cancelled on me again - sorry about jerking you around like this, I promise the trip will happen really soon now, just need to get my friend to commit properly to a date. Sampsa On 10 Nov 2009, at 15:45, Christine Caulfield wrote: Hiya, Yes, tomorrow afternoon would be fine. I've got someone calling round to collect an amplifier too, but I'm sure I can cope :-) Chrissie On 10/11/09 15:38, Sampsa Laine wrote: Christine, Would it be ok to come up tomorrow afternoon? Sampsa On 9 Nov 2009, at 09:22, Christine Caulfield wrote: Hiya I didn't see a reply, so I'm sending this again just in case ... Chrissie On 04/11/09 07:31, Christine Caulfield wrote: Hiya, By "this week" and "next week" do you mean "next week" and "the week after"? Cos I thought you were coming next week now anyway!! Well to be helpful ... next week (starting 9th) is fine Tuesday Wednesday & Friday. The week after (starting 16th) is OK Monday, Tuesday & Wednesday. The week after that (starting 23rd) is out completely unless you turn up around 9am in the morning. Weekends I can't do until ... hmm about March, and evenings are complicated and need to be organised near to the time. Can fit in with any of that ? Chrissie On 03/11/09 23:11, Sampsa Laine wrote: Christine, Terribly sorry about this, but turns out the guy I'm meant to drive down from Leeds can't make it this week - how is next week looking for you? Sampsa On 27 Oct 2009, at 15:37, Christine Caulfield wrote: Oh god, my boiler is the same. It used to crash every two or three weeks. And the plumber told me how to refill it and reset it. In the end it turned out to be a very slightly leaky radiator and it's been fine after that. I'm still supposed to check the pressure now and then though. /me goes off to do it while she remembers. Chrissie On 27/10/09 15:30, Sampsa Laine wrote: OK, cool, we'll synchronise schedules with my friend, probably come up on Wednesday or Friday (Wed ideally, I'm thinking the traffic into London on Friday might be a lot of Epic Phail). As for the boiler repair, it was free - only had it installed a few months back (behind my spare freezer, which isn't so great). Turns out it just needed a top-up - this involved the guy fiddling with two dials. Now the stupid thing cost me thousands AND has a computer already built in, how freaking hard can it be to make the topping-up thing automatic. Sampsa On 27 Oct 2009, at 15:27, Christine Caulfield wrote: Ahhh No problem. That week is fine apart from Monday and Thursday. I hope the boiler doesn't cost too much to fix :S Chrissie On 27/10/09 15:09, Sampsa Laine wrote: Oh crap, so it was - I ACTUALLY mean the week commencing the 9th - sorry about the confusion, been dealing with boiler repair guys all day. Sampsa On 27 Oct 2009, at 14:27, Christine Caulfield wrote: Hiya That's the week I thought you meant anyway! So that's fine. My address is 39 St James Terrace Horsforth Leeds LS18 5QT Phone 0113 2288310 Chrissie On 27/10/09 14:01, Sampsa Laine wrote: Actually, if you can hold on to them for another week - i.e. the week commencing 2 Nov, I'd be able to synchronise giving my friend a lift to London with the pick up. If this is a problem, no worries, I'll come up on next Thursday. sampsa On 27 Oct 2009, at 13:50, Christine Caulfield wrote: On 27/10/09 12:41, Sampsa Laine wrote: I'll take the VAXstation and Alpha PWS if you can spare them and the CD drives - as for pick up, well I'm between jobs so it's no biggie, could come up next week if that works for you. Yes, that's fine. I work from home so most days during the daytime will be OK, apart from Wednesday morning. Just give me a day or so's notice when you'll be here and I'll be ready. Chrissie

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