DECnet phase IV nodes are backwards compatible with phase III.
There are no restrictions in functionality between phase IV nodes and phase
V as seen by the unpriviledged user. Area routing may be an issue on Alpha,
and of course ncl is more of a pain to remember than ncp ;-)
Two questions:
1-May I use area 44?
2-Is there a short guide to set up DECnet over IP to connect to HECnet?
Hans
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Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 0:04
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Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet
DECnet-Plus isn't
able to connect, or at least reliably connect to all OS's that can
potentially be on HECnet. I forget what all OS's I was having issues
with, I know one was RSTS/E v10.1, but I want to say it also included
VAX/VMS. Once I *upgraded* my Alpha running OpenVMS to DECnet Phase IV,
all these issues went away. These were things as simple as SET HOST.
It's probably that DECnet-Plus (Phase V) cannot speak with DECnet Phase
III (such as on RSTS/E and TOPS-10/20). That's my guess anyway.
Phase V should be able to communicate with VAX/VMS since that's Phase
IV, which is the gold standard of DECnet, IMHO.
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Marc Chametzky wrote:
DECnet-Plus isn't
able to connect, or at least reliably connect to all OS's that can
potentially be on HECnet. I forget what all OS's I was having issues
with, I know one was RSTS/E v10.1, but I want to say it also included
VAX/VMS. Once I *upgraded* my Alpha running OpenVMS to DECnet Phase IV,
all these issues went away. These were things as simple as SET HOST.
It's probably that DECnet-Plus (Phase V) cannot speak with DECnet Phase III (such as on RSTS/E and TOPS-10/20). That's my guess anyway.
Phase V should be able to communicate with VAX/VMS since that's Phase IV, which is the gold standard of DECnet, IMHO.
TOPS-20 DECnet is phase IV, and I believe that the latest version of DECnet for RSTS/E is also phase IV.
Johnny
DECnet-Plus isn't
able to connect, or at least reliably connect to all OS's that can
potentially be on HECnet. I forget what all OS's I was having issues
with, I know one was RSTS/E v10.1, but I want to say it also included
VAX/VMS. Once I *upgraded* my Alpha running OpenVMS to DECnet Phase IV,
all these issues went away. These were things as simple as SET HOST.
It's probably that DECnet-Plus (Phase V) cannot speak with DECnet Phase III (such as on RSTS/E and TOPS-10/20). That's my guess anyway.
Phase V should be able to communicate with VAX/VMS since that's Phase IV, which is the gold standard of DECnet, IMHO.
--Marc
At 2:03 PM -0700 6/27/10, Johnny Billquist wrote:
DECnet+ over IP: I have no idea if it is doable, but if it is, feel free. HECnet as such is totally connection-agnostic. Anything that works is acceptable. My experience (both from myself, and others) is that DECnet+ is more of an headache than a win, but that's more from an adminitrative point of view. Technically, it works just fine.
I'm uncertain if DECnet+ can act as an area router though, so you might need to have atleast one DECnet node, in order to have your own area.
One quick comment on this based on my own findings. DECnet-Plus isn't able to connect, or at least reliably connect to all OS's that can potentially be on HECnet. I forget what all OS's I was having issues with, I know one was RSTS/E v10.1, but I want to say it also included VAX/VMS. Once I *upgraded* my Alpha running OpenVMS to DECnet Phase IV, all these issues went away. These were things as simple as SET HOST.
Unfortunately, it's been several years, and I don't remember the specifics. Also, I've never had Tru-64 running DECnet as far as I can remember (it's been about 12 years since I ran it).
Zane
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I've got a SIMH VAX with Decnet+ set up somewhere, so I might be up for trying to get the Decnet+-IP-tunnel thingie going.
Sampsa
On 27 Jun 2010, at 22:03, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Kari Uusim ki wrote:
On 27.6.2010 13:44, Mark Wickens wrote:
Hi Guys,
There is some info on http://hecnet.eu but at the moment it is very
targeted to a 'standard' installation. If you end up using a
non-standard installation please let me know what you have to do so I
can add the info to the website.
If you want your own area Johnny is your man - he is busy but will get
round to answering your query.
I'd be interested to know if it's possible to get the bridge working
under tru64 also...
Regards, Mark
.
Well, what is standard and what is not. That is a question of from which point of view you are thinking, isn't it? ;)
To some people the DECnet-plus or Multinet with DECnet-over-IP is standard and to others the Cisco tunneling is standard. To the HECnet community the bridge software is standard.
Kari Uusim ki wrote:
On 27.6.2010 13:44, Mark Wickens wrote:
Hi Guys,
There is some info on http://hecnet.eu but at the moment it is very
targeted to a 'standard' installation. If you end up using a
non-standard installation please let me know what you have to do so I
can add the info to the website.
If you want your own area Johnny is your man - he is busy but will get
round to answering your query.
I'd be interested to know if it's possible to get the bridge working
under tru64 also...
Regards, Mark
.
Well, what is standard and what is not. That is a question of from which point of view you are thinking, isn't it? ;)
To some people the DECnet-plus or Multinet with DECnet-over-IP is standard and to others the Cisco tunneling is standard. To the HECnet community the bridge software is standard.
On 27.6.2010 13:44, Mark Wickens wrote:
Hi Guys,
There is some info on http://hecnet.eu but at the moment it is very
targeted to a 'standard' installation. If you end up using a
non-standard installation please let me know what you have to do so I
can add the info to the website.
If you want your own area Johnny is your man - he is busy but will get
round to answering your query.
I'd be interested to know if it's possible to get the bridge working
under tru64 also...
Regards, Mark
.
Well, what is standard and what is not. That is a question of from which point of view you are thinking, isn't it? ;)
To some people the DECnet-plus or Multinet with DECnet-over-IP is standard and to others the Cisco tunneling is standard. To the HECnet community the bridge software is standard.
On 27.6.2010 20:58, Mark Wickens wrote:
Hi Kari,
The installation and IVP completed successfully. Many thanks - I will be
adding some database functionality to hecnet.eu now.
Regards, Mark
.
Hi Mark,
Your welcome!
It is really nice to be of any help.
Regards,
Kari
Your welcome, Hans!
Nice to be of help.
Regards,
Kari
On 27.6.2010 14:51, H Vlems wrote:
Ok, the kit arrived correctly. This is what I did:
1) binary ftp of the .zip file
2) $ UNZIP "-V" of the zip file
3) $ BACK/LIST *.% /SAVE and all save sets proved readable.
Thanks again Kari,
Hans
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Kari Uusim ki
Verzonden: zondag, juni 2010 12:18
Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] RDB media for VAX/VMS
Hi guys,
The RDBVMS V7.0.8.3 kit is now available for download on my anonymous
ftp service at my front end system called WEGA.DECHOBBYIST.NET.
This was originally downloaded from Oracle OTN and hasn't been modified
in any way.
Regards,
Kari
On 27.6.2010 12:46, Kari Uusim ki wrote:
Hi Hans,
RDBVMS V4.1 was released in 1992.
The kit I mentioned, RDBV7083, is from 2006. So it is somewhat more
recent. :)
Btw. The last RDBVMS kit which was on SPL's was 6.1 and that was
released in mid-1995. It can be found on the Jul-1995 and Dec-1995 SPL's.
If you want to upgrade from V4.1 to V7.0 you need to do some
conversions. I don't remember which intermediate versions you need, but
it should be described in the Release Notes.
I'll put the RDBV7083 kit on my anonymous ftp service and send a message
when it is ready for download.
Regards,
Kari
On 27.6.2010 12:11, H Vlems wrote:
If that is more recent than V4.1 then I'd appreciate it if you'd let
me know
how to gain access to your ftp server.
Hans
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Kari Uusim ki
Verzonden: zondag, juni 2010 11:08
Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] RDB media for VAX/VMS
On 27.6.2010 10:45, Mark Wickens wrote:
On Sat, 2010-06-26 at 16:06 -0400, Marc Chametzky wrote:
Does anyone have media for a Digital or Oracle version of RDB for a
VAX
running VMS 7.3?
I've got some RDB files from 2000 and 2005. I'm not sure what they are
as I don't recognize the names any longer, but you're welcome to take a
look at them. They are in DUSTY::.
The RDBV71431KIT_AMV.ZIP is the 2005 file, all the others are from
2000.
--Marc
Hi Marc,
I pulled the files down last night, but alas they are only for the Alpha
platform. Might anyone else be able to help? I'm not sure whether Rdb
ever appeared on the SPL?
Regards, Mark.
.
Hi Mark,
I do have a kit RDBV7083 for VAX from 2006. I'm not sure if that's the
latest one, but it should run on VAX-VMS V7.3.
If you want to get it, please inform me. I can put it on my anonymous
ftp.
Regards,
Kari
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