Looking at this distribution of files from DEC for TOPS-20 V6.1 DECnet --
http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/TOPS-20_V6.1_DECnetDistr_7-23-85/index.html -- I saw SETNOD.EXE.
It seems this command is comparable to the NODNAM that you mentioned. I just did a quick test with SETNOD, set up some nodes, saved them to its database, and then used the INSERT command to load them into the monitor. Then I checked in NCP and saw that they were there.
So, I should get everything loaded in via SETNOD.EXE at system startup, I guess.
Thanks for suggesting I look at another utility.
--Marc
On Mon, 09 Apr 2012 23:45:48 +0300, you wrote:
The museum guys posted this user's guide:
http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/pdp10/TOPS20/V7/USERS.MEM.txt
The full "collection" is at the following address:
http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/BB-PBQUC-BM_1990/index.html
These are the latest available manuals (and among them there is the one you
have linked too). I've already read the User's Guide and the System
Manager's Guide, but I find some things not so clear. I'll have to do some
more experiments. :)
Unfortunately the full TOPS-20 Notebook set seems to be unavailable: I've
hunted for it high and low, but to no avail... :-\
G.
The museum guys posted this user's guide:
http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/pdp10/TOPS20/V7/USERS.MEM.txt
Sampsa
On 9 Apr 2012, at 22:50, gerry77 at mail.com wrote:
On Mon, 09 Apr 2012 22:04:17 +0300, you wrote:
Is anyone on HECnet running TOPS-20?
Just got an account at the machine at the Living Computer Museum, it seems
like a cool OS.
Just in the last few days I've started playing with TOPS-20: my final goal
is to put it online on our DECnet and on the Internet. It's indeed a quite
cool OS, and very significant in the Internet/Unix history timeline.
I'm actually trying to better understand how some security settings work
(e.g. permissions for files-only directories). Maybe I'll ask something on
alt.sys.pdp10 hoping that someone like Mark Crispin will answer. :)
I'd like to share experiences with anyone doing similar experiments. :)
HTH,
G.
On Mon, 09 Apr 2012 15:25:08 -0400, you wrote:
NCP>define node 19.301 name dusty
I get the same "Operation failure" doing it that way as well.
I did get a "set node" command to work (when I hadn't before), but that
doesn't help me get it into the permanent database.
If it works like TOPS-10 DECnet, there is no permanente database: at every
boot you have to load the database again.
You may want to create a file containing a SET NODE for every node you want
defined, one per line, and then have it TAKEn by NCP at boot time. I think
you'll have to play with SYSTEM:SYSTEM.CMD and/or *-PTYCON.ATO to have NCP
do it. Something like ENTER NCP, then TAKE yournodelist.CMD, then RETURN.
Because this is quite slow, there is also a much faster TOPS-10 utility that
appears to run even on TOPS-20. Its name is NODNAM and can be found here:
http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/tops10_tools_bb-fp64b-sb/01/10,7/decnet/nod…http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/tops10_tools_bb-fp64b-sb/01/10,7/decnet/nod…
(There is the binary executable too.)
On TOPS-10 it works like a charm, TOPS-20 DECnet is yet to come for me... :)
HTH, :)
G.
On 2012-04-09 22:05, Saku Set l wrote:
I did run TOPS-20 on emulator long ago when it was first released to
public. If somebody makes instructions how to get it running on the
HecNet, surely I'll give it a try. On the real machines, I hacked around
TOPS-20's in mid-80's, and got caught, but that's another long story..
Jeez. This have been up before... :-)
.ncp tell sol sho exec cha
Node characteristics as of 9-APR-12 22:06:53
Executor node = 59.10 (SOL)
Identification = Systems Concepts SF CA USA - SC30M - DN-20 4.0, Management version = 4.0.0
Loop count = 1, Loop length = 127
Loop with = Mixed, Incoming timer = 30
Outgoing timer = 60, NSP version = 4.0.0
Maximum links = 65535, Delay factor = 48
Delay weight = 10
Inactivity timer = 120, Retransmit factor = 10
Routing version = 2.0.0, Type = Routing IV
Routing timer = 600
Broadcast routing timer = 40, Maximum address = 1023
Maximum circuits = 20
Maximum cost = 100
Maximum hops = 16, Maximum visits = 20
Maximum broadcast endnodes = 64
Maximum broadcast routers = 32
Maximum buffers = 80, Buffer size = 576
Segment buffer size = 576
.
Just to mention one machine... There are (probably) more...
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
I did run TOPS-20 on emulator long ago when it was first released to public. If somebody makes instructions how to get it running on the HecNet, surely I'll give it a try. On the real machines, I hacked around TOPS-20's in mid-80's, and got caught, but that's another long story..
--Saku
On Mon, 09 Apr 2012 22:04:17 +0300, you wrote:
Is anyone on HECnet running TOPS-20?
Just got an account at the machine at the Living Computer Museum, it seems
like a cool OS.
Just in the last few days I've started playing with TOPS-20: my final goal
is to put it online on our DECnet and on the Internet. It's indeed a quite
cool OS, and very significant in the Internet/Unix history timeline.
I'm actually trying to better understand how some security settings work
(e.g. permissions for files-only directories). Maybe I'll ask something on
alt.sys.pdp10 hoping that someone like Mark Crispin will answer. :)
I'd like to share experiences with anyone doing similar experiments. :)
HTH,
G.
Try:
NCP>define node 19.301 name dusty
I get the same "Operation failure" doing it that way as well.
I did get a "set node" command to work (when I hadn't before), but that doesn't help me get it into the permanent database.
--Marc
Try:
NCP>define node 19.301 name dusty
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Marc Chametzky
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 15:19
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] TOPS-20 systems on HECnet?
Is anyone on HECnet running TOPS-20?
I occasionally have CALHAN:: up running the Panda
distribution (TOPS-20 7.1). It generally works okay, but I
have some DECnet configuration problems with it in that I
can't seem to load the node database:
@enable
$opr
OPR>enter ncp
NCP>define node dusty address 19.301
NCP>
15:17:34 NCP
Request # 3; Define Node Failed, Operation failure
I don't know enough about TOPS-20 to know why this fails.
--Marc
Is anyone on HECnet running TOPS-20?
I occasionally have CALHAN:: up running the Panda distribution (TOPS-20 7.1). It generally works okay, but I have some DECnet configuration problems with it in that I can't seem to load the node database:
@enable
$opr
OPR>enter ncp
NCP>define node dusty address 19.301
NCP>
15:17:34 NCP
Request # 3; Define Node Failed, Operation failure
I don't know enough about TOPS-20 to know why this fails.
--Marc
