On 08/09/2012 04:07 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Why is SIMH so slow though?
Because it's extremely portable with no architecture-specific
assembler assists. As I won't use anything that's NOT portable, I
consider it to be screaming fast.
As far as I can understand, one MIPS is roughly one VUPS, correct?
More or less...depends on who you ask.
So how come I get 14 VUPS on the same host running SIMH whilst my Hercules install peaks at 180?
Ummm...because one is an IBM mainframe architecture and the other is a
VAX? MIPS is a very, very different thing between different architectures.
Are the architectures that different (obviously they are) or what is it?
They very much are, yes.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
That's a good question.
For example, how does the SIMH pdp11 compare to E-11? I can't make a direct comparison, unfortunately.
I did notice that SIMH vax seems surprisingly slow, at least when running NetBSD.
Another data point: dtcyber (a Cyber mainframe emulation) runs quite fast. I haven't tried to express it in MIPS, or VUPS (or CUPS?) but it's much faster than the original hardware, which was in the 3-10 MIPS range. So it seems to be closer to what you saw for Hercules. And a Cyber is not that easy to emulate, due to its oddball floating point.
paul
On Aug 9, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Why is SIMH so slow though?
As far as I can understand, one MIPS is roughly one VUPS, correct?
So how come I get 14 VUPS on the same host running SIMH whilst my Hercules install peaks at 180?
Are the architectures that different (obviously they are) or what is it?
Sampsa
On 9 Aug 2012, at 23:04, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 08/09/2012 02:33 PM, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote:
This seems like a natural for SIMH, since it already has a large
amount of necessary prerequisites (a lot of device emulation,
framework pieces, etc.).
There is Alpha support in the development track version of simh.
Is the architecture well enough defined in
publicly available documents? I would guess yes but I don't know for
sure. Are there secret bits that are critical and hard to obtain?
The architecture manual pretty fully documents it.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Why is SIMH so slow though?
As far as I can understand, one MIPS is roughly one VUPS, correct?
So how come I get 14 VUPS on the same host running SIMH whilst my Hercules install peaks at 180?
Are the architectures that different (obviously they are) or what is it?
Sampsa
On 9 Aug 2012, at 23:04, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 08/09/2012 02:33 PM, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote:
This seems like a natural for SIMH, since it already has a large
amount of necessary prerequisites (a lot of device emulation,
framework pieces, etc.).
There is Alpha support in the development track version of simh.
Is the architecture well enough defined in
publicly available documents? I would guess yes but I don't know for
sure. Are there secret bits that are critical and hard to obtain?
The architecture manual pretty fully documents it.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 08/09/2012 02:33 PM, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote:
This seems like a natural for SIMH, since it already has a large
amount of necessary prerequisites (a lot of device emulation,
framework pieces, etc.).
There is Alpha support in the development track version of simh.
Is the architecture well enough defined in
publicly available documents? I would guess yes but I don't know for
sure. Are there secret bits that are critical and hard to obtain?
The architecture manual pretty fully documents it.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
I'm trying to get the bridge built on OpenBSD 5.1 64-bit but it keep segfaulting. Anyone ever get this working?
# cc -O2 -Wall -o bridge bridge.c -lpcap
bridge.c:65:1: warning: "MAX" redefined
In file included from /usr/include/netdb.h:90,
from bridge.c:32:
/usr/include/sys/param.h:191:1: warning: this is the location of the previous definition
bridge.c: In function 'add_bridge':
bridge.c:241: warning: implicit declaration of function 'inet_aton'
bridge.c:263: warning: format '%d' expects type 'int', but argument 2 has type 'char *'
bridge.c:263: warning: format '%d' expects type 'int', but argument 3 has type 'char *'
bridge.c: In function 'add_service':
bridge.c:276: warning: format '%s' expects type 'char *', but argument 3 has type 'struct BRIDGE *'
bridge.c: In function 'dump_data':
bridge.c:524: warning: implicit declaration of function 'inet_ntoa'
bridge.c:531: warning: format '%s' expects type 'char *', but argument 4 has type 'int'
bridge.c: In function 'main':
bridge.c:564: warning: unused variable 'port'
bridge.c:561: warning: unused variable 'len'
/tmp//cc69aRp2.o(.text+0x934): In function `add_bridge':
: warning: strcpy() is almost always misused, please use strlcpy()
# cp bridge /var/bridge/
# cd /var/bridge/
# ./bridge 4711
Adding router ''local''. 00000000:0
Adding router ''sampsa''. 0afc2a0a:4711
Adding DECnet bridge local.
Trying to match local
Matching against: local
Found match: local == local
Adding DECnet bridge sampsa.
Trying to match sampsa
Matching against: local
Matching against: sampsa
Found match: sampsa == sampsa
Adding LAT bridge local.
Trying to match local
Matching against: local
Found match: local == local
Adding LAT bridge sampsa.
Trying to match sampsa
Matching against: local
Matching against: sampsa
Found match: sampsa == sampsa
Host table:
Segmentation fault (core dumped)
-brian
This seems like a natural for SIMH, since it already has a large amount of necessary prerequisites (a lot of device emulation, framework pieces, etc.). Is the architecture well enough defined in publicly available documents? I would guess yes but I don't know for sure. Are there secret bits that are critical and hard to obtain?
paul
On Aug 9, 2012, at 1:51 PM, Gregg Levine wrote:
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Kari Uusim ki <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org> wrote:
There is a Non-commercial version running on Linux:
http://www.stromasys.ch/axpnce/
Kari
On 9.8.2012 19:56, Sampsa Laine wrote:
CHARON-AXP I think runs on Linux.
But not the free versions (windows only).
Sampsa
On 9 Aug 2012, at 19:50, Gregg Levine wrote:
Hello!
Okay here's a completely crazy and off four walls and probably two
dimensions, but here goes:
Does an AXP emulator exist that will run OpenVMS for Alpha and can be
built on (or run on) 32 bit Linux?
Incidentally Dave the group really left three days ago to try to find
Sampsa. They left behind watchers.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
.
Hello!
The key word in my question was 32 bit Linux. That site contains this
line " This implementation will not work on single-core,
hyper-threading, or 32-bit systems. ", which disqualifies my current
Linux system as a target. And I can't qualify the laptop as a target
for the Windows example that Sampsa mentioned, which was also
mentioned on this list a while ago.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On 9 Aug 2012, at 13:02, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2012-08-09 09:05, Mark Benson wrote:
On 8 Aug 2012, at 23:56, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2012-08-08 15:42, Bob Armstrong wrote:
I notice that the bridge is down again this morning. Is it just me?
Nope. I noticed that Psilo was down, but only now did I recheck and as psilo was back up, I restarted the bridge.
I've restarted mine several times and I'm still not getting anything outside my LAN. :\
Hum. So psilo rebooted again a few hours ago... Restarted the bridge right now.
Working okay now, thanks :)
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On 9.8.2012 20:51, Gregg Levine wrote:
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Kari Uusim ki <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org> wrote:
There is a Non-commercial version running on Linux:
http://www.stromasys.ch/axpnce/
Kari
On 9.8.2012 19:56, Sampsa Laine wrote:
CHARON-AXP I think runs on Linux.
But not the free versions (windows only).
Sampsa
On 9 Aug 2012, at 19:50, Gregg Levine wrote:
Hello!
Okay here's a completely crazy and off four walls and probably two
dimensions, but here goes:
Does an AXP emulator exist that will run OpenVMS for Alpha and can be
built on (or run on) 32 bit Linux?
Incidentally Dave the group really left three days ago to try to find
Sampsa. They left behind watchers.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
.
Hello!
The key word in my question was 32 bit Linux. That site contains this
line " This implementation will not work on single-core,
hyper-threading, or 32-bit systems. ", which disqualifies my current
Linux system as a target. And I can't qualify the laptop as a target
for the Windows example that Sampsa mentioned, which was also
mentioned on this list a while ago.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
.
Sorry, didn't read all the details.
Then I think you are out of luck.
Kari
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Kari Uusim ki <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org> wrote:
There is a Non-commercial version running on Linux:
http://www.stromasys.ch/axpnce/
Kari
On 9.8.2012 19:56, Sampsa Laine wrote:
CHARON-AXP I think runs on Linux.
But not the free versions (windows only).
Sampsa
On 9 Aug 2012, at 19:50, Gregg Levine wrote:
Hello!
Okay here's a completely crazy and off four walls and probably two
dimensions, but here goes:
Does an AXP emulator exist that will run OpenVMS for Alpha and can be
built on (or run on) 32 bit Linux?
Incidentally Dave the group really left three days ago to try to find
Sampsa. They left behind watchers.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
.
Hello!
The key word in my question was 32 bit Linux. That site contains this
line " This implementation will not work on single-core,
hyper-threading, or 32-bit systems. ", which disqualifies my current
Linux system as a target. And I can't qualify the laptop as a target
for the Windows example that Sampsa mentioned, which was also
mentioned on this list a while ago.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On 08/09/2012 12:50 PM, Gregg Levine wrote:
Hello!
Okay here's a completely crazy and off four walls and probably two
dimensions, but here goes:
Probably, but...
Does an AXP emulator exist that will run OpenVMS for Alpha and can be
built on (or run on) 32 bit Linux?
...why not just get an Alpha?
Incidentally Dave the group really left three days ago to try to find
Sampsa. They left behind watchers.
I think they're on final approach over there. He'd better watch his back!
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
