Hey folks. I'm looking for firmware for the DECserver-550, which gets
downloaded into the terminal server by its boot host. Does anyone here
have a copy? (It seems I have the firmware for every DECserver except
that..)
Thanks,
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
I posted this message yesterday, but for some reason people are telling me
it never went to the list.
I removed the photos I originally attached and am sending it again.
-Mark
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Mark Abene <phiber at phiber.com>
Date: Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Sunlink DNA
To: hecnet at update.uu.se
To everyone who asked, I built TME last night on Ubuntu 18.04 on two
different systems, and installed NetBSD 1.6.2 on a sun3/160 instance.
It's working very nicely, minus networking; bear in mind that TME was
originally written to run on a NetBSD host (it's in the pkg collection),
and makes use of BPF to implement networking (I seem to remember it also
working on FreeBSD). Linux does have a bpf compatibility interface, so I'll
see if it can be made to work and follow up with you all. That said, grab
TME here: https://people.csail.mit.edu/fredette/tme/tme-0.8.tar.gz
That's the home site, there's lots of info on the emulator
https://people.csail.mit.edu/fredette/tme/
There's also this site, specifically about installing SunOS 4.1.1:
http://www.abiyo.net/retrocomputing/installingsunos41
1tosun3emulatedintme08onlinux
DON'T follow those build instructions, they're incredibly old and will get
you nowhere fast. :)
Here are my steps:
Make sure you have the gtk-2.0 and glib2.0 dev packages installed. Then...
mkdir $HOME/tme
cd $HOME/tme
tar -zxvf your_download_dir/tme-0.8.tar.gz
cd tme-0.8
vi libtme/module.c (comment out line 93 "LTDL_SET_PRELOADED_SYMBOLS();",
it's no longer needed) and save.
./configure --prefix=$HOME/tme --disable-warnings 'LIBS=-lglib-2.0
-lgtk-x11-2.0 -lX11'
export LTDL_LIBRARY_PATH=$HOME/tme/lib (or "setenv LTDL_LIBRARY_PATH
$HOME/tme/lib" for csh/tcsh)
make
make install
If everything built and installed without errors, you'll have the install
tree in $HOME/tme. From here you can follow the various instructions on the
original site above for installing NetBSD, etc.
If you ran into any errors either building, installing, or running, just
drop me a note, I'd be happy to help!
P.S.: I've attached some photos of it booting up!
P.P.S: You'll notice it seg fault when you exit tmesh. The original does
this too. The author even comments about how there's no "quit" command.
Regards,
Mark
On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 6:35 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks Mark!
>
> -Dave
>
> On 09/18/2018 08:59 PM, Mark Abene wrote:
> > Absolutely. I'll dig it out after dinner later tonight.
> >
> > -Mark
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 5:44 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com
> > <mailto:mcguire at neurotica.com>> wrote:
> >
> > On 09/18/2018 08:12 PM, Mark Abene wrote:
> > > The TME emulator works fine on Ubuntu with very minor massaging. I
> don't
> > > recall having to do anything extremely out of the ordinary.
> > > For me the fun was in emulating a Sun 3/80 I used to have. If you
> like,
> > > I can dig it up my TME install. Haven't used it in a while.
> >
> > If you can find any notes that you my have taken on what it took to
> > get it running, I'd very much appreciate that. I hacked on it for a
> bit
> > earlier this year, but ran out of time and eventually gave up.
> >
> > -Dave
> >
> > --
> > Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
> > New Kensington, PA
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
> New Kensington, PA
>
I'm in area 61, and I can get to my area and MIM, but everything else seems
unreachable both Saturday and Sunday. Anyone else notice anything weird?
Thanks,
-Mark
John - are you running MacOS 8 in Basilink II and TSSnet on it?
Supratim
> On Sep 27, 2018, at 6:48 AM, John Dohn <xdelta at meta.ua> wrote:
>
> I've uploaded it: https://files.fm/u/buvr6w5y
> Works good, vt320 terminal emulator is perfection.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Supratim Sanyal [mailto:supratim at riseup.net]
>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 1:55 AM
>> To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE; xdelta at meta.ua
>> Cc: Zane Healy; jhj at reagan.com; tim at sneddon.id.au
>> Subject: Re: Thursby TSSnet (was: Re: [HECnet] Sunlink DNA)
>>
>> I would like a copy of TSSnet 2.4.1 if you don?t mind.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Supratim
>>
>>> On Sep 26, 2018, at 3:38 AM, John Dohn <xdelta at meta.ua> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All!
>>> I have Mac TSSnet 2.4.1 package. I can upload it somewhere if anyone
>> interested in.
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE]
>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Jeffrey H. Johnson
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 4:09 AM
>>>> To: Zane Healy
>>>> Cc: hecnet at Update.UU.SE; jhj at reagan.com; tim at sneddon.id.au
>>>> Subject: Re: Thursby TSSnet (was: Re: [HECnet] Sunlink DNA)
>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 24, 2018, at 8:39 PM, Zane Healy <healyzh at avanthar.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It would be interesting to see if anyone can at least find binaries
>>>> for the TSS DECnet product, if TSS would be willing to make a
>>>> hobbyist license available, it would be cool to play with. From a
>>>> practical standpoint, it has no commercial value at this point,
>> since
>>>> it?s pre- MacOSX.
>>>>
>>>> It would be nice, and I think they would be willing to do so, if the
>>>> packages could be found.
>>>>
>>>> Just to add, their product was highly portable - they did releases
>>>> for UNIX systems (SunOS, AIX, etc.) and other ports as well, such as
>>>> AmigaOS.
>>>>
>>>>> Oddly enough, I want to say that I bought a license for DAVE from
>>>> them, for the purpose of accessing a Samba Share on VMS. At least
>>>> that?s the only reason I can think of, at this point, why I?d have
>>>> purchased a copy. :-)
>>>>
>>>> I seem to recall that DAVE was once a popular product - or at least
>>>> highly advertised.
>>>>
>>>>> Zane
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jeffrey H. Johnson
>>>> jhj at trnsz.com
>>>> https://ban.ai/multics
>>>
>>>
> <scr20.PNG>
Was worth a try, appreciate their quick response regardless!
Begin forwarded message:
> From: Luke Lujan <luke at thursby.com>
> Date: September 28, 2018 at 1:12:20 PM EDT
> To: Supratim Sanyal <supratim at riseup.net>
> Cc: "sales at thursby.com" <sales at thursby.com>
> Subject: Re: Form submission from: Contact
>
> Hello Supratim,
>
> I apologize but we do not have anyway of providing that information.
>
> I?m sorry I can?t be of more help.
>
> Best,
> Luke Lujan
> Inside Sales Representative - Thursby Software Systems, Inc.
> luke at thursby.com | Main: +1(817) 478-5070
> GSA Schedule No: GS-35F-132AA
>
>> On Sep 28, 2018, at 12:06 PM, Supratim Sanyal <supratim at riseup.net> wrote:
>>
>> Submitted: Friday, September 28, 2018 - 12:06
>>
>> Your name: Supratim Sanyal
>> Your e-mail address: supratim at riseup.net
>> Phone: 240-483-8572
>> Subject: Looking for a License Key for TSSNet 2.4 for Macintosh System 7
>> (1992)
>> Message:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am a DEC alumnus and a DECnet Hobbyist. This is to request a license key
>> for your 1992 product "TSSnet ver 2.4" that I installed on Apple Macintosh II
>> ci running System 7.5.3 Operating system. A couple of screenshots are here:
>>
>> https://ibb.co/kJJTSU
>> https://ibb.co/nhdTSU
>>
>> Any help appreciated.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Supratim Sanyal
>> 20423 Cabana Dr
>> Germantown, MD 20876
>>
>
I was looking through an old 1986 issue of Computerworld and saw this:
https://ban.ai/~jhj/images/sun-decnet.png
I wonder - does this still exist somewhere?
I see there is plenty of documentation for Solstice X.25/Sunlink X.25 on the Oracle website, but I seem to be failing in locating any Sunlink DNA information.
--
Jeffrey H. Johnson
jhj at trnsz.comhttps://ban.ai/multics
Hi,
I've been playing with RSTS/E for a short while, particularly BASIC PLUS. I've noted that, logged into account [1,2] I can issue HELP from within BASIC and it's all fine. From a non-privileged account I created, HELP within BASIC gives me a '?Protection violation' but it seems that all the .HLP files relevant to BASIC have the correct <40> file protection. Am I missing something? Any help would be appreciated.
Regards,
Keith
I know this is somewhat off-topic - but hopefully it is something in line with most list members interests, if not I apologize.
It seems a Mr. Nathan Gregory has written a book on the history of Tymshare's Tymnet, called "A Tym Before". He has a website at https://www.chromosomequest.com/tym-before and a video presentation at https://youtu.be/1rrYQOpZ3Q0.
I've read the book myself yet so I can't put forth an opinion or a review, but it seems like it could be quite interesting. I hope it has some technical details and isn't all just corporate history. The presentation was a bit underwhelming for me, having extensively "researched" this network in the past, but still quite informative.
On a tangent - Since MAME has SPARCstation support working now (https://forums.bannister.org/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=44666&page=…), I wonder how difficult it would be to bring up Sunlink X.25 / Solstice X.25)?
--
Jeffrey H. Johnson
jhj at trnsz.comhttps://ban.ai/multics
Hi all,
The RSTS/E business reminded me. I went to the Living Computers Museum last week and it was almost a bit of an emotional experience.
A few things in no particular order:
They appear to have a VAX 6000-400 sitting next to the 785 so I assume that's about to be restored to working order.
There are so many Intel boxes and FPGA-realised interfaces around supplying 'virtual' discs to a number of systems. It's really sad that the number of functional real discs such as RAs, RPs, etc. appears to be decreasing rapidly over time. Bruce said that for one restoration project, they started out with 9 functional RP07s. By the time they'd completed the project, only 2 remained functional.
I didn't ask about HECnet though the elapsed time in discussion about, well, everything else I could think to ask, was over 2 hours.
I played a lot of spacewar/star trek on a TRS-80 Model II (I used to have one) and an IMSAI 8080, probably an Altair original too. Apple ][, e possibly, was as clunky as I remember and how on earth did we ever cope with CRTs? That Osbourne luggable 'portable' was... amazing... CP/M - I'd almost forgotten.
I went into their sorting out room - stacks of disc drives, Commodore 64s, TI something-or-others, calculators (some of the HP RPN favourites I had growing up too). I nearly cried when I saw what looked like an HP 85 computer sticking out from high up on the shelves - I'm sorry I ever sold mine on, doubly sorry that I didn't snap up a refurbished one with QIC-tape replacement on Ebay a few years ago.
I do have some pictures... I'll sort them out.
Keith
Time for a new release announcement of TCP/IP for RSX-11M-PLUS.
Highlights:
- One bugfix in TCP, along with some new parameters to increase
flexibility and potentially performance.
- HTTPD can serve multiple hosts with different content from one machine
by use of virtual hosts.
- Lots of added functionality and features in MAIL.
Detailed information on things that have been done since the last release:
TCP:
- Bugfix in TCP. In a special case, a write on a socket could hang
forever on a closed socket.
- Improve TCP to not set PUSH on packets when we send FIN. Some hosts
and firewalls can dislike if PUSH and FIN are both set on packets, and
since FIN already implies that the stream is ending and whatever has
been received should be passed on to application at the receiving end
anyway, a PUSH is not really needed in that situation.
- Improved TCP RTT calculation.
IFCONFIG:
- Added SET TCP MINIMUM TRANSMIT TIMEOUT and TCP TIMEOUT WAIT commands.
FTP/FTPD:
- Added zeroing out partial last block when ftp in block or RSX mode.
HTTPD:
- Added virtual host capabilities to HTTPD.
MAIL:
- Added FLAG/UNFLAG command
- Added PREVIOUS command
- Added /HEADER switch to read
- Improved MAILD when running under virtual terminal (improved
interaction with PHONE)
- Added figuring out which user MAIL is running as when no accounting
exists for terminal
- Added handling of CC recipients in MAIL.
- Improved documentation.
- Improved notification processing.
- Added OS version information to MAIL.
- Added detection of DECMAIL11/RSX, DECUSMAIL/RSX and DECMAIL11/RSTS
RMD:
- Added exit ast handler to RMD.
SPOOF:
- Improve spoof notification handling.
- Changed spoof notification methods.
As usual, the distribution is available from:
ftp://mim.update.uu.se/bqtcp.dsk
ftp://mim.update.uu.se/bqtcp.tap
ftp://ftp.update.uu.se/pub/pdp11/rsx/tcpip/tcpip.dsk
The documentation is also available through ftp on Mim, or also at
http://mim.update.uu.se/tcpipdoc
I hope people find this update useful. While there are no really
critical issues that have been solved, I still recommend people to
update, since this new version do contain improvements that are
beneficial and as far as I know there are no issues or problems updating
to this newest version.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
I've been playing around a little with out 8650 lately, and finally got
irritated enough at the limitation of some diagnostics that I decided to
read up a bit.
The problem is that we have a lot of diagnostics for the 8650, however,
they are from around 1990, when the console pack was created. Some
devices, such as RA73 (of which we have a bunch connected) are newer
than that, so our diagnostics do not know about them, and therefore
ignore them.
Reading up on this turned out that the autosized tool, called EVSBA, is
generic and used on all models. And we have version 7.2 on our pack, and
we need to have version 7.5 in order to have it handle RA73 disks.
Reading more, it sounded like these programs would normally live in VMS
as well, under [SYS0.SYSMAINT]. However, the VMS I have, which was
installed from the 7.3 CD distribution, have nothing in [SYS0.SYSMAINT],
so now my obvious question is, do anyone have "modern" versions of the
diagnostics programs?
EVSBA would be one obvious one I'm looking for, but EVRL* which are all
the tools for RA disks are also interesting. I'm not sure if our current
versions would handle an RA73 either.
If people have other bits, that would also be nice. If they are on
HECnet, even better, since if I boot VMS, our 8650 is also on HECnet, so
that would make copying really easy. But if you have them somewhere
else, that's also usable.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Greetings,
Time to update those node databases ... BAN.AI Public Access Multics, the premier public access Multics system, has joined HECnet, as node number 1.770 (BANAI).
It's just an initial implementation (based on the Linux DECnet source) and performance is lacking, but I hope to get things better optimized and support more services in the near future.
There are currently 16 outgoing channels for HECnet connections, and up to 128 dynamically allocated incoming login channels.
Outgoing connections to HECnet are allowed only for registered users, but any incoming login from the Internet or HECnet is permitted, including anonymous Guest users.
For more information, you can visit https://ban.ai/, ssh or mosh to dps8 at m.trnsz.com, or SET HOST to BANAI/1.770.
Feel free to request an account or ask any questions.
--
Jeffrey H. Johnson
jhj at trnsz.comhttps://ban.ai/multicshttp://mim.update.uu.se/hecnet?node=BANAI
.. on HECnet?
Igor Mirvaleev
John Floren
Thierry Dusset
or their nodes ?
2.100 (SEGUE) unreachable
2.150 (LOKI) unreachable
2.201 (SELENE) unreachable
2.300 (LEXX) unreachable
2.301 (DREAM) unreachable
2.302 (BEE) unreachable
I'm looking to purge some obsolete nodes from my database.
Bob
OK, so who is "SANYAL" at node 1.550? If you'd like an account on my RSTS/E
system, all you need do is ask. I'm one of those sys admins who actually
reads his event logs. :)
Regards,
Mark
Hi,
I'm off to Seattle in a few days for a bit of a break. I'll be visiting the Living Computers Museum there to play with their VAX 785, DECSystem 20, etc. while sitting right next to them :)
There may be photos...
Just FYI
Keith
Hi all
Anyone know the turn around time for licenses for OpenVMS these days?
Like a dummy I let mine expire and put in for them at the usual spot.
However, it's been more than 36 hours and I've seen nary a peep. :(
However, my PMDF and Multinet licenses are still valid, so the mail still
rolls in....ha.
Fred
Johnny Billquist wrote:
> Object 23 is the predecessor of CTERM. I'm not entirely sure of the name
> of that protocol.
>From some code:
[ASCIZ |NRT|] ;23 NRT program
Supported by tops10 and 20. If you need to do testing you can use
my machines, athena (20) and topsy (10).
--another Johnny
. is down temporarily. It is a simulation and I'm upgrading the Ubuntu
host OS on that machine. With Linux, nothing actually works "out of the
box" but most everything can be made to work with some effort. I'm still
on that last step. I should have everything fixed up and LEGATO will be
back today or tomorrow.
Bob
HECnet area 19 has returned. It has only one node (SGC::) at the moment. DECnet is the only network stack functioning. Multinet is not yet available due to problems with SG1::.
Johnny?s software bridge has been started so it should only be a matter of time before the rest of HECnet sees SGC::. An old set of sources to MWATCH (the system that controls address changes for Multinet) can be found in:
SGC::[.MWATCH]
It has some issues but works well enough if needed.
-Steve
Sent from my iPad
Hi,
I suppose this happens a lot with newcomers to HECnet, especially when there are long periods of apparent silence. I'm currently reconciling remembering the '80s while listening to (having read several times) Ready Player One audio book (incidentally, I thought the recent film was... OK... but nothing like the book), playing around in VAX/VMS on a 86x0 SIMH simulator and doing 'real world' work in .NET (C#) for a salary, goggling in almost disbelief at the megabytes required to do what we used to be able to do in kilobytes.
I have a vague recollection of TOPS-20 (possibly TOPS-10) so I built a SIMH environment.
I have a vague recollection of RSTS/E so... etc..
I have no recollection of RSX-11M but I tried.... and yeah, etc...
It seems it's VMS, VAX architecture (Alpha seems so new-fangled by comparison) for me.
(I'm sooo glad Itanium is dying by the way - what an evolutionary dead-end - but what do I know - 'Itanic' seemed prophetic)
Do any of you remember when UK Academia connected its universities together with X25 and 'coloured books' software? Yellow book was the transport, extending the addressing beyond the 12 digit DTE address, so you ended up with 000010500401.FTP.MAIL for example, to send Greybook mail via Bluebook FTP protocol. Redbook was to do with job transfer (remote batch job entry and processing, reporting). Pinkbook (I kid you not) was X25 over Ethernet.... And for a short while, I had set up X25 over Ethernet for DECnet between departmental microVAXen to the university's VAXcluster.
Well, getting to the point, the 'coloured books' software on VMS was rather monolithic so I began the task of splitting it up. First, I wrote a device driver to create a pseudo-device to handle opening a Yellowbook connection. From then on, using the queue/batch system for processing FTP requests etc.. I can remember it all but it seems so pointless trying to recreate past 'glories'.
When (in university days) you share a vaxcluster with at least 40 concurrents students EDTing then ALGOL68ing their programming assignments, it was fun to write a kind of 'TELL <userid> message' which mailbox'd a message to a central server which worked out if they were on the local node or somewhere else in the cluster, passed the message along and then broadcast it to the target user's logged in terminal.
Incidentally, I'm missing Algol68RS for VAX/VMS - not part of the hobbyist programme possibly because it was never a DEC/Compaq/HP product)....
Though why neither Bliss32 (in which I wrote the above device driver and support for Yellowbook) nor VaxLisp (don't ask why I would like this) are part of the hobbyist programme, I have no idea.
So, what am I doing now? Apart from working in the real world, I'm resurrecting the Star Trek game I wrote in Ada ('83) using SMG$ routines - a more or less realtime version of the turns-based versions you see written in BASIC. Sad? Probably. I don't care. I'm reliving some of my happiest times. I may retreat to VAX Pascal if it proves too much.
I'd still like VAX/VMS Algol68RS, VAXLisp and Bliss32.... because, well, just because.
Sorry
Keith
Hi,
I sent a message a while back to the 'responsible person' (as stated in the HECnet webpage) but have not received a response so I thought I'd try the list.
Having recently rediscovered the delights of VMS(7.3 VAX architecture), the hobbyist programme and SIMH, etc. etc. I'd like to link into HECnet. Any help appreciated. I can do DDCMP-DMC (over UDP or TCP) or use the SIMH4.x built-in bridge.
Regards,
Keith
Who registered hecnet.org? Anyone around here?
Would you like us to do something with it?
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
here's a quick hack. Run this detached from a privileged account, and
telnet to port 1234 will cause an immediate halt.
I actually did not run this from a system account; tested that I did get
a %SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV from a regular account.
Possibilities are endless; you might want to listen to private IPs only :)
EXE is at QCOCAL::REMOTE-SHUTDOWN-LISTENER.ZIP or
https://www.dropbox.com/s/kg1vs8zsf2jqn48/remote-shutdown-listener.zip?dl=0
:)
On 6/10/2018 18:20, Supratim Sanyal wrote:
> On 6/10/2018 16:00, Mark J. Blair wrote:
>> I'm not sure if the HECnet list is the best place to ask this, but hopefully it's not too far off topic.
>>
>> Let's say that I want to run a full-time SIMH emulation of a VAX running VMS (because I do). This would be my full-time DECnet presence on my local network, my primary means of moving things between my DECnet-speaking computers and my modern machines, and my full-time HECnet presence if I ever find a good way to have persistent internet access at my rural home. The SIMH emulation would be hosted on a Linux server.
>>
>> It's easy enough to set up the host server to automatically launch a SIMH emulation at boot time, but I don't know yet how to deal with automatically and cleanly shutting down the emulation when the host server needs to shut down. In particular, I'd want to somehow trigger an orderly VMS shutdown when the host server needs to perform an unattended shutdown, such as when the UPS signals a power failure. If there's a way to checkpoint the entire emulation and then restore it later, that might also be a good option, as long as I can prevent corrupting the emulated system's filesystems by suddenly yanking the virtual power plug.
>>
>> Is there any prior art for setting up an unattended SIMH-based VAX/VMS emulation like this?
>>
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