HECnet May 2014

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by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

Hello! Right now what are you running? Mr Wilson's E11 does Windows(!) it also does DOS, and then Linux. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 10:13 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: So, it seems I can't install RSTS/E from tape using simh (I need to set a custom disk size to fit it on an RZ23 I think). The RA81 is too big to fit and I have no idea what size the random SCSI drive lying on my living room floor is...but I think it's a bit overly large. I'd love to just do a full install...but I have no idea if I can get a TK50 to work long enough to do that. Also: e11 doesn't work in DOSbox. Options: 1). Use a large drive 2). Install linux 3). Copy tape images and e11 over to pentium/233 4). Spend the next 96 hours fiddling with a TK50 continuously Any alternate ideas? I'm leaning towards the first. Are the SIMH RA81 disk images anything special or can I shove one directly on a drive on an MSCP-emulating SCSI controller? -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

10 years, 11 months

RSTS/E under simh

by b4＠gewt.net

So, it seems I can't install RSTS/E from tape using simh (I need to set a custom disk size to fit it on an RZ23 I think). The RA81 is too big to fit and I have no idea what size the random SCSI drive lying on my living room floor is...but I think it's a bit overly large. I'd love to just do a full install...but I have no idea if I can get a TK50 to work long enough to do that. Also: e11 doesn't work in DOSbox. Options: 1). Use a large drive 2). Install linux 3). Copy tape images and e11 over to pentium/233 4). Spend the next 96 hours fiddling with a TK50 continuously Any alternate ideas? I'm leaning towards the first. Are the SIMH RA81 disk images anything special or can I shove one directly on a drive on an MSCP-emulating SCSI controller? -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

10 years, 11 months

Spinning a license for VMS

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

Hello! You were thinking "Who's he?" of course. John Egolf. That's the chap behind the hobbyist program. Oddly enough whilst waiting for both of these I remembered that the same company also provided disks containing an OS, all they needed was the license to be provided. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 9:53 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 05/14/2014 09:43 PM, Gregg Levine wrote: Okay I have the images, I have a license file. He sent it as a text file, however he also says its a DCL script. (That's the scripting language behind VMS, correct?) Well, atop VMS, but yes/ He also presents instructions on where to go from there, that is how to spin it further. But has anyone here been successful at doing so using his instructions, or did they happen to have their own magic for doing so? I dunno who "he" is, but VMS licenses are typically distributed (these days) as a couple of lines (actually one line, with continuations) of DCL, starting with LICENSE REGISTER, followed by the appropriate parameters. Just run that command, then do LICENSE LOAD, and you should be good to go. And of course the important question is restoring the OS from the CD to the OS disks. Outside of the SIMH steps, is there a page for doing so, using the Charon freely available emulators? In the VMS install docs, yes, but you can use the SIMH steps just fine. Just remember to change vms072.b to vms073.b, if applicable. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

10 years, 11 months

Spinning a license for VMS

by ian＠platinum.net

I just paste each license command into my terminal window one at a time and hit enter. Slow but gets them all. Sent from my iPad On May 14, 2014, at 6:43 PM, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote: Hello! Okay I have the images, I have a license file. He sent it as a text file, however he also says its a DCL script. (That's the scripting language behind VMS, correct?) He also presents instructions on where to go from there, that is how to spin it further. But has anyone here been successful at doing so using his instructions, or did they happen to have their own magic for doing so? And of course the important question is restoring the OS from the CD to the OS disks. Outside of the SIMH steps, is there a page for doing so, using the Charon freely available emulators? ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." --- Filter service subscribers can train this email as spam or not-spam here: http://my.email-as.net/spamham/cgi-bin/learn.pl?messageid=74ACEDC6DBD211E3A…

10 years, 11 months

Spinning a license for VMS

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 05/14/2014 09:43 PM, Gregg Levine wrote: Okay I have the images, I have a license file. He sent it as a text file, however he also says its a DCL script. (That's the scripting language behind VMS, correct?) Well, atop VMS, but yes/ He also presents instructions on where to go from there, that is how to spin it further. But has anyone here been successful at doing so using his instructions, or did they happen to have their own magic for doing so? I dunno who "he" is, but VMS licenses are typically distributed (these days) as a couple of lines (actually one line, with continuations) of DCL, starting with LICENSE REGISTER, followed by the appropriate parameters. Just run that command, then do LICENSE LOAD, and you should be good to go. And of course the important question is restoring the OS from the CD to the OS disks. Outside of the SIMH steps, is there a page for doing so, using the Charon freely available emulators? In the VMS install docs, yes, but you can use the SIMH steps just fine. Just remember to change vms072.b to vms073.b, if applicable. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

10 years, 11 months

Spinning a license for VMS

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

Hello! Okay I have the images, I have a license file. He sent it as a text file, however he also says its a DCL script. (That's the scripting language behind VMS, correct?) He also presents instructions on where to go from there, that is how to spin it further. But has anyone here been successful at doing so using his instructions, or did they happen to have their own magic for doing so? And of course the important question is restoring the OS from the CD to the OS disks. Outside of the SIMH steps, is there a page for doing so, using the Charon freely available emulators? ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

10 years, 11 months

UPDATED: OpenVMS VAX Software Products Library 2007 now available

by ian＠platinum.net

Hello All, Due to an encoding problem, the images posted yeaterday for the Software Products Library were broken. I have re-encoded and tested the images, and the updated images have now been posted. Sorry for the inconvenience. Images can be found at http://vaxhaven.com/CD_Image_Archive Ian

10 years, 11 months

OpenVMS VAX Software Products Library 2007 now available

by ian＠platinum.net

Solved it! Going to take a bit of time to re-rip. I'll post an update. Apologies to anyone who downloaded an incorrect image. Ian On May 14, 2014, at 11:56 AM, Hans Vlems <hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote: Is it usable as an LD device under VMS? Verzonden vanaf mijn BlackBerry 10-smartphone. Van: Ian McLaughlin Verzonden: woensdag 14 mei 2014 20:12 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] OpenVMS VAX Software Products Library 2007 now available Just confirmed that the ISO is unreadable in Charon vax. Hmmm. Will try different hardware for the rip... Sent from my iPhone On May 14, 2014, at 9:49 AM, Ian McLaughlin <ian at platinum.net> wrote: Gentlemen, I tried a different approach to ripping, using cdrdao to get a raw image and track layout, just in case there were multiple tracks (which the ISO format doesn't support). I've only tested disc 1 so far, but I confirmed that I got the same size binary as I got using dd, with the same SHA checksum, and the track list confirms a single track. dd with bs=512 and bs=2048 gives me the same binary also. Can anyone else confirm or deny that disc 1 (AG-RVYRR-BE) works or doesn't work? Ian On May 14, 2014, at 7:25 AM, Mark Benson <md.benson at gmail.com> wrote: On 14 May 2014, at 15:24, Ian McLaughlin <ian at platinum.net> wrote: Jordi, Thanks for the report. Not sure what went wrong. I quickly ripped them and put them up but didn't test them. I'll put them in some real DEC hardware today and see what's going on. This isn't something wonky like you have to dd them at bs=512 or something is it? -- Mark Benson http://DECtec.info Twitter: @DECtecInfo HECnet: STAR69::MARK Online Resource & Mailing List for DEC Enthusiasts. --- Filter service subscribers can train this email as spam or not-spam here --- Filter service subscribers can train this email as spam or not-spam here --- Filter service subscribers can train this email as spam or not-spam here

10 years, 11 months

TK50 issues

by jhfinedp3k＠compsys.to

>Hans Vlems wrote: I guess you meant iso-propanol, right? YES!! Thank you for correcting the spelling mistake. Just in case someone runs to the chemist for a pint of the aldehyde, which is a lot more toxic than the alcohol. Verzonden vanaf mijn BlackBerry 10-smartphone. Van: Jerome H. Fine Verzonden: woensdag 14 mei 2014 03:19 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] TK50 issues >Cory Smelosky wrote: Evening all, Got a nice haul of equipment today...aside from the TK50 issues and the smoking VT340 everything seems to be okay! However: CARTRIDGE PRESENT HEAD AT TRACK ZERO POSITIONED AT BOT TRK NUMBER 00 LOGICAL TRACK NUMBER = 0. PHYSICAL BLK# 0000 PHYSICAL BLOCK NUMBER = 0. LOGICAL BLK# 00 LOGICAL BLOCK NUMBER = 0. TAPE POSITION 000EFB TAPE POSITION = 3835. DRIVE STATE 035E RD/WRT STATE 1937 OPERATION FLGS 0201 CNTRLR STATUS 0C DRIVE ERROR DRIVE ERR CODE 93 AMPLITUDE ON HEAD 2 TOO LOW and an error about it being unable to find calibration track 2 on the second drive lead me to believe the drives may be faulty. The leader isn't broken and I've reattached it to the arm on the one where it had come off. How would I do about cleaning one? Are the drives bad and a cleaning wouldn't help? (Yes, I tried multiple cartridges) Over 95% of the time I had a "bad" TK50, it was because the heads required cleaning. After sitting around for more than a decade, the TK50 tapes no longer leave the heads very clean. Cleaning the TK50 head is quite easy once the drive has been removed from a drive bay and the 3 bolts holding down the cover have been removed. A smaller screw driver can then remove the bolt holding the piece in front of the head. I use Q-tips and isoproponal. The whole procedure takes less than 5 minutes. No alignment is required if just the piece in front of the head is removed since it blots back into exactly the same position. Probably the rollers should also be cleaned as well. I usually had to clean the heads every time the equivalent of a complete TK50 tape was used. If the TK50 drive is going to be used frequently, it is best to leave the drive out of the drive bay. with the cover off. However, be sure to keep the same power source from the backplane. While a hard disk drive seems to accept a PC power supply as the power source, the TK50 seems to require the same power source as the backplane which is used to power the CPU and other boards. If necessary, use an extension for the 5v / 12v plug that the TK50 requires. The normal 20 pin (??) cable for signals to the controller board is usually long enough to stretch to some other convenient location outside the drive bay. Jerome Fine

10 years, 11 months

OpenVMS VAX Software Products Library 2007 now available

by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

Is it usable as an LD device under VMS? Verzonden vanaf mijn BlackBerry 10-smartphone. Van: Ian McLaughlin Verzonden: woensdag 14 mei 2014 20:12 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] OpenVMS VAX Software Products Library 2007 now available Just confirmed that the ISO is unreadable in Charon vax. Hmmm. Will try different hardware for the rip... Sent from my iPhone On May 14, 2014, at 9:49 AM, Ian McLaughlin <ian at platinum.net> wrote: Gentlemen, I tried a different approach to ripping, using cdrdao to get a raw image and track layout, just in case there were multiple tracks (which the ISO format doesn't support). I've only tested disc 1 so far, but I confirmed that I got the same size binary as I got using dd, with the same SHA checksum, and the track list confirms a single track. dd with bs=512 and bs=2048 gives me the same binary also. Can anyone else confirm or deny that disc 1 (AG-RVYRR-BE) works or doesn't work? Ian On May 14, 2014, at 7:25 AM, Mark Benson <md.benson at gmail.com> wrote: On 14 May 2014, at 15:24, Ian McLaughlin <ian at platinum.net> wrote: Jordi, Thanks for the report. Not sure what went wrong. I quickly ripped them and put them up but didn't test them. I'll put them in some real DEC hardware today and see what's going on. This isn't something wonky like you have to dd them at bs=512 or something is it? -- Mark Benson http://DECtec.info Twitter: @DECtecInfo HECnet: STAR69::MARK Online Resource & Mailing List for DEC Enthusiasts. --- Filter service subscribers can train this email as spam or not-spam here --- Filter service subscribers can train this email as spam or not-spam here

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