On Sat, 18 May 2013 06:14:27 -0000, you wrote:
SET HOST to MARLEY (9.10) (It's a bit slow to respond only via DECnet. I
might need to play with buffers)
If you use the CTERM protocol, it will be always slow and sluggish, no matter
how much you'll try to tweak it. Try SET HOST /APP=R and appreciate speed :)
Credentials are guest and the password is guest. Still need to install some
stuff for language support.
If you like it more, there is a way to have a user with no password (and/or
with the ability to actually change password disabled). Just play with REACT
and look for the right incantation, because I do not remember it anymore...
G. :)
On Sat, 18 May 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 05/18/2013 12:58 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I've done a lot of database work, going back to Ingres and QUEL. I'm one
of those weirdos who actually enjoys databases...I think most people find
database work to be dry and boring, but I find it fascinating and
stimulating. I've seen DTR applications used in production but have never
had any exposure at all to the software...having something to actually *do*
with it, like this node database for HECnet, is great stuff, and a great way
to learn.
I hope you've never used Microsoft Access. ;)
No, I haven't. That requires Windows, and I've never used Windows.
Sometimes I wish I had managed to avoid Windows like you did. ;)
It's simple. Just don't use it. It's not like it's going to stroll into
your life and install itself onto your computers.
True. I mostly manage to use it very little. I've gotten to the point where I don't use windows post-NT 4 (the last version I really like).
I'm trying to replace a friend's windows server with an AIX box. ;)
Should be able to make progress once the null modem cable he ordered arrives.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
On Sat, 18 May 2013, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-05-18 18:52, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Sat, 18 May 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 05/18/2013 12:45 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
I like the idea of giving us all write access. Maybe you can set up
regular dumps of the database for restoration in case someone screws
up.
I can certainly do that. It just becomes a question of people might
need to
reenter information in case a rollback has to go far. Also trickier to
realize if "corruption" actually have happened perhaps.
On the other hand, I could atleast have permissions that only allowed
random
people to modify data, not add new, nor delete.
That's a really good idea.
I second this. How flexible is Datatrieve's permissions system?
You can identify users either by UIC, or by entity-specific passwords.
And for each type of thing in there you have Read, Write, Modify,
Extend, and Control. And the access is a list, with the first match
being the permissions used.
That's pretty flexible.
So I could either make sure all people who might want to modify this
have their own account on MIM, or else I could just create password
protected access, and we could have shared or private passwords.
Hmmm. I almost want to see if I can't apply my "run UNIX shell scripts at login to run one specific application" stuff to work for this on RSX-11. ;)
I need to get around to learning DCL...I have menus I need to write anyway.
Johnny
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|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
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http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
On 05/18/2013 12:58 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I've done a lot of database work, going back to Ingres and QUEL. I'm one
of those weirdos who actually enjoys databases...I think most people find
database work to be dry and boring, but I find it fascinating and
stimulating. I've seen DTR applications used in production but have never
had any exposure at all to the software...having something to actually *do*
with it, like this node database for HECnet, is great stuff, and a great way
to learn.
I hope you've never used Microsoft Access. ;)
No, I haven't. That requires Windows, and I've never used Windows.
Sometimes I wish I had managed to avoid Windows like you did. ;)
It's simple. Just don't use it. It's not like it's going to stroll into
your life and install itself onto your computers.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On Sat, 18 May 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 05/18/2013 12:52 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I've done a lot of database work, going back to Ingres and QUEL. I'm one
of those weirdos who actually enjoys databases...I think most people find
database work to be dry and boring, but I find it fascinating and
stimulating. I've seen DTR applications used in production but have never
had any exposure at all to the software...having something to actually *do*
with it, like this node database for HECnet, is great stuff, and a great way
to learn.
I hope you've never used Microsoft Access. ;)
No, I haven't. That requires Windows, and I've never used Windows.
Sometimes I wish I had managed to avoid Windows like you did. ;)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
On 2013-05-18 18:52, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Sat, 18 May 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 05/18/2013 12:45 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
I like the idea of giving us all write access. Maybe you can set up
regular dumps of the database for restoration in case someone screws
up.
I can certainly do that. It just becomes a question of people might
need to
reenter information in case a rollback has to go far. Also trickier to
realize if "corruption" actually have happened perhaps.
On the other hand, I could atleast have permissions that only allowed
random
people to modify data, not add new, nor delete.
That's a really good idea.
I second this. How flexible is Datatrieve's permissions system?
You can identify users either by UIC, or by entity-specific passwords. And for each type of thing in there you have Read, Write, Modify, Extend, and Control. And the access is a list, with the first match being the permissions used.
So I could either make sure all people who might want to modify this have their own account on MIM, or else I could just create password protected access, and we could have shared or private passwords.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 05/18/2013 12:54 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
I've been trying to avoid databases all my life, but when I got my hands on
Datatrieve I had to come up with some kind of project to use it in, since I
like to test all my PDP-11 software. And the first thing I started on was the
nodename database, and right now it has started to pay off a little, since I
can easily do various things with the data, and it has turned out to be
helpful a couple of times...
Well I'm glad you did it!
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On Sat, 18 May 2013, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-05-18 18:45, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Sat, 18 May 2013, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-05-18 15:00, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Is there a way we can get write access to the db? That way we can
keep our own info up to date.
I was thinking about it. Pros and cons. Easier for updating. Potentially
anyone erasing the whole thing. The granularity of permissions is by the
whole table.
It would perhaps be possible to do something that everyone had their own
table, and then I'd just pull data from all of them for various tasks.
But then I'd have potential name collision issues and what not...
Actually, thinking a bit more, I could probably do some web interface
with people having their own passwords and the ability to update just
their data that way. Needs some thinking perhaps, but maybe the most
doable.
Anyone else have some ideas on how to do it?
You could do separate mini-dbs for each area that each person can modify.
Yes. That is what the separate table reference meant pretty much. Hmm, I
could perhaps do that, with only me being able to add to the tables, but
designated persons being able to modify data in there.
That's pretty much what I was thinking of 100%.
Definitely a possibly solution.
Johnny
Johnny
-brian
On May 17, 2013, at 12:03, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-05-17 16:18, Bob Armstrong wrote:
On 2013-05-16 18:28, Johnny Billquist wrote:
This is a totally volontary thing. I've finally come to the point
where I think that there are a few more pieces of data on nodes
that would be nice/useful to have from time to time.
Much of the information you want (all of it, I think) is already
in the
INFO.TXT file -
$ type legato""::info.txt
....
ADDR |NAME |OWNER |EMAIL |HARDWARE |OS
|LOCATION |NOTES
2.1 |LEGATO|Bob Armstrong |bob at jfcl.com |simh
|OpenVMS
7.3|Milpitas, CA, US|DCN Multinet Ro
uter
2.2 |POCO | | |MicroVAX-2000 |
| |6MB, RD54, TK50
2.4 |MEZZO | | |PDP-11/53 |RSTS
| |3.5MB, 2xRA73,TK70, SCSI
2.6 |LARGO | | |VAX-11/730
|VMS 4.7
| |R80, 2xRA81, RL02, RX02, TU80
2.7 |CODA | | |DS20E
|OpenVMS
8.3| |
2.9 |DIVISI| | |VAX-8350
|VMS 5.5-2
| |16MB, RA81, RA82, TU81+
2.10 |ADAGIO| | |VAXserver 3900
|VMS 6.0
| |RA81, RX50, 2xRD54, Kennedy 9610, RRD50, RF31,
2xRF71,
RF72, SQ703, Exabyte 8505
2.11 |LENTO | | |PDP-11/73
|RSX-11M+
| |2xRD32, RX50, RL02, Kennedy 9600
2.12 |JENSEN| | |DEC 2000 axp
|OpenVMS
7.3| |
2.13 |ZITI | | |eBox-3310
|Ubuntu
| |
2.14 |MULTIA| | |Multia UDB
|OpenVMS
7.3| |
2.15 |PAVANE| | |DECstation 3100
|Ultrix
| |MIPS box w/DECnet-Ultrix
2.16 |SKETTI| | |HP ProLiant ML110G4
|Ubuntu
| |
2.18 |DSRVB1| | |DECserver-200/MC |
| |
2.19 |DSRVB2| | |DECserver-200/MC |
| |
FWIW, keeping a central database up to date is going to be a
nightmare -
that's why we invented the INFO.TXT files; so each sysadmin could
locally
update his own information.
Yes. I know... :-)
Which I said this is all voluntary and so on. I've just felt that
the INFO.TXT is not really working that well either. At least not
from my point of view. I'm willing to try different things. I could
consider some automatic scraping and population of the nodename
database from some distributed sources as well, if we can come up
with something that seems reasonable.
Oh, and thanks.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments