El 19/04/2013, a les 19:48, Lee Gleason <lee.gleason at comcast.net> va escriure:
How many people on this list have ever used paper tape at a job?
Not at a job, but the first "real" computer I put my hands on was a Motorola EXORCiser, with a TTY attached (no CRT) when I was at High School. The only way I had to "save" programs was paper tape. Eventually I got a nice 8 inch floppy, but I was using paper tape for a while.
Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
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For historical amusement...
In reading the Phase II NSP spec, I spotted a summary of how that differs from Phase I. I've never seen any Phase I documents (perhaps no formal documents ever existed?). From the discussion in the Phase II spec, it's clear that Phase I is quite a different protocol. Phase II through IV are all very closely related, especially at layer 4 and above. Not so Phase I -- it would be quite difficult (at best) to make an NSP implementation that could speak both Phase I and Phase II. I don't see any signs that this was ever done. For example, there is no "how to interoperate with the previous version" chapter in the Phase II spec -- unlike the Phase III and IV specs.
paul
How many people on this list have ever used paper tape at a job? My first computer job we used it to control phototypesetting machines. When an 11/70 was added to the mix of gear there, we ordered it with paper tape readers and punches on it to help in transitioning away from the paper tape only gear it was replacing.
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El 19/04/2013, a les 18:32, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> va escriure:
Speaking of IBM...what'd be the maximum storage capacity of a punched card? I was thinking of TCP/IP over paper tape last night...
TCP/IP over punched cards carried by pigeons, of course.
Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
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On 19 Apr 2013, at 13:39, "Jordi Guillaumes i Pons" <jg at jordi.guillaumes.name> wrote:
El 19/04/2013, a les 18:32, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> va escriure:
Speaking of IBM...what'd be the maximum storage capacity of a punched card? I was thinking of TCP/IP over paper tape last night...
TCP/IP over punched cards carried by pigeons, of course.
I mentioned that in my next reply. ;)
Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
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El 19/04/2013, a les 18:32, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> va escriure:
Speaking of IBM...what'd be the maximum storage capacity of a punched card? I was thinking of TCP/IP over paper tape last night...
TCP/IP over punched cards carried by pigeons, of course.
Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
jg at jordi.guillaumes.name
HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES
On Fri, 19 Apr 2013, Paul_Koning wrote:
On Apr 19, 2013, at 12:32 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
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IBM made me do it!
Speaking of IBM...what'd be the maximum storage capacity of a punched card? I was thinking of TCP/IP over paper tape last night...
I sense an april 1 RFC here... :-)
Maybe! I could always make it IPoPC/ACR (IP over Punched Card/Avian-Carrier relay)
Classic 80 column punched card: 120 bytes if punched in unrestricted "column binary", 80 byte if punched in extended EBCDIC code (as on the IBM 360 green card) where only one of rows 1-7 is punched per column.
Hmm. It would be rather slow on real hardware, but it seems like it might be doable to "network" older systems. ;)
paul
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On Apr 19, 2013, at 12:32 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
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IBM made me do it!
Speaking of IBM...what'd be the maximum storage capacity of a punched card? I was thinking of TCP/IP over paper tape last night...
I sense an april 1 RFC here... :-)
Classic 80 column punched card: 120 bytes if punched in unrestricted "column binary", 80 byte if punched in extended EBCDIC code (as on the IBM 360 green card) where only one of rows 1-7 is punched per column.
paul
On Fri, 19 Apr 2013, Gregg Levine wrote:
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 04/19/2013 12:21 PM, Gregg Levine wrote:
Dave don't do that, Stop staring out that window before something
happens.... Whoops. Now you've done it. **Stated as a big green thing
flies out and collides with the window covering it in a big green
mess.** **And noted as there are four individuals outside watching it
happen, including an oddly dressed individual.**
Did someone sneeze! ;)
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New Kensington, PA
Hello!
No, what happened is that your place was surrounded by a bigger
version of what Slimer happened to be. It exploded and covered your
place in what is politely called slime.
However there are indicators that it was sent by someone in Ohio.
IBM made me do it!
Speaking of IBM...what'd be the maximum storage capacity of a punched card? I was thinking of TCP/IP over paper tape last night...
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On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 04/19/2013 12:21 PM, Gregg Levine wrote:
Dave don't do that, Stop staring out that window before something
happens.... Whoops. Now you've done it. **Stated as a big green thing
flies out and collides with the window covering it in a big green
mess.** **And noted as there are four individuals outside watching it
happen, including an oddly dressed individual.**
Did someone sneeze! ;)
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Hello!
No, what happened is that your place was surrounded by a bigger
version of what Slimer happened to be. It exploded and covered your
place in what is politely called slime.
However there are indicators that it was sent by someone in Ohio.
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Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Fri, 19 Apr 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 04/19/2013 12:17 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Ian VE7BST
(wow, there are a lot of hams on this list coming out of the woodwork)
Yes there are. ;)
73,
Is that a number, a misplaced number, or did I break my encoding again?
It's ham parlance, CW shorthand, that basically means "seeya, have a good one".
Ah. Makes sense. Good to see I didn't break my encodings again...I have a habit of ending up with mismatched encodings...
-Dave
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