Johnny
I like your suggestion of the same area on both sides. Do you have a candidate area number? Do we have any Italian Decnet members here that are interested in this project? Pointless if they don't want us :)
Ian
Sent from my iPhone
On 2013-04-23, at 3:19 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-04-24 00:04, Ian McLaughlin wrote:
Yes, the Cisco can do area remapping.
Sweet.
We only need to remap at the single border point - everyone in HECnet will see them as one area and everyone in the Italian Decnet will see them as the other area.
Sounds like it should be doable. Yes, a single connection in between, where the remapping takes place. And then we should be set to go.
Interesting how to solve it, though. From the HECnet side, we just need to remap a chosen area that is designated for the italian network. The italian network needs to also do a remapping. Area 1 on HECnet needs to be mapped into some other area on their side. Possibly using the same area as is used for the italians on the HECnet side.
And then, of course, the nodename database needs massaging from their point of view. Which might also be a fair piece of work...
Johnny
Ian
On 2013-04-23, at 3:03 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-04-24 00:01, Robert Jarratt wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-
hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Tim Sneddon
Sent: 23 April 2013 18:44
To: hecnet at update.uu.se
Subject: [HECnet] Italian DECnet...
Hi,
I know there had been discussion before about bringing these two together.
Although, I must admit that I didn't pay too much attention to what went on,
just that I don't think it happened. So, tell me to get lost if this has been
suggested or if nobody cares...
Now that we have Cisco routers and DECbrouters on the network, has
anyone considered connecting a GRE tunnel into their network and then
using the DECnet address translation gateway in IOS to map their network to
an area we allocate specifically for them. That way there is no merging as
such, just a bit of "gluing".
Regards, Tim.
If I had a spec for what is needed I could probably also implement what is needed for the user mode router I have written, it would give a little bit of flexibility too as the code is readily available.
Is the Italian HECnet all one area, or are there multiple areas?
As far as I can remember it's all in one area.
Can Cisco's do area remapping? If so, then let's do it, assuming the italians are interested and have some Cisco box.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
---
Filter service subscribers can train this email as spam or not-spam here: http://my.email-as.net/spamham/cgi-bin/learn.pl?messageid=9A4E730CAC6111E2B…
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
---
Filter service subscribers can train this email as spam or not-spam here: http://my.email-as.net/spamham/cgi-bin/learn.pl?messageid=E50FF58AAC6311E2B…
On 2013-04-24 00:04, Ian McLaughlin wrote:
Yes, the Cisco can do area remapping.
Sweet.
We only need to remap at the single border point - everyone in HECnet will see them as one area and everyone in the Italian Decnet will see them as the other area.
Sounds like it should be doable. Yes, a single connection in between, where the remapping takes place. And then we should be set to go.
Interesting how to solve it, though. From the HECnet side, we just need to remap a chosen area that is designated for the italian network. The italian network needs to also do a remapping. Area 1 on HECnet needs to be mapped into some other area on their side. Possibly using the same area as is used for the italians on the HECnet side.
And then, of course, the nodename database needs massaging from their point of view. Which might also be a fair piece of work...
Johnny
Ian
On 2013-04-23, at 3:03 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-04-24 00:01, Robert Jarratt wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-
hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Tim Sneddon
Sent: 23 April 2013 18:44
To: hecnet at update.uu.se
Subject: [HECnet] Italian DECnet...
Hi,
I know there had been discussion before about bringing these two together.
Although, I must admit that I didn't pay too much attention to what went on,
just that I don't think it happened. So, tell me to get lost if this has been
suggested or if nobody cares...
Now that we have Cisco routers and DECbrouters on the network, has
anyone considered connecting a GRE tunnel into their network and then
using the DECnet address translation gateway in IOS to map their network to
an area we allocate specifically for them. That way there is no merging as
such, just a bit of "gluing".
Regards, Tim.
If I had a spec for what is needed I could probably also implement what is needed for the user mode router I have written, it would give a little bit of flexibility too as the code is readily available.
Is the Italian HECnet all one area, or are there multiple areas?
As far as I can remember it's all in one area.
Can Cisco's do area remapping? If so, then let's do it, assuming the italians are interested and have some Cisco box.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
---
Filter service subscribers can train this email as spam or not-spam here: http://my.email-as.net/spamham/cgi-bin/learn.pl?messageid=9A4E730CAC6111E2B…
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Yes, the Cisco can do area remapping.
We only need to remap at the single border point - everyone in HECnet will see them as one area and everyone in the Italian Decnet will see them as the other area.
Ian
On 2013-04-23, at 3:03 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-04-24 00:01, Robert Jarratt wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-
hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Tim Sneddon
Sent: 23 April 2013 18:44
To: hecnet at update.uu.se
Subject: [HECnet] Italian DECnet...
Hi,
I know there had been discussion before about bringing these two together.
Although, I must admit that I didn't pay too much attention to what went on,
just that I don't think it happened. So, tell me to get lost if this has been
suggested or if nobody cares...
Now that we have Cisco routers and DECbrouters on the network, has
anyone considered connecting a GRE tunnel into their network and then
using the DECnet address translation gateway in IOS to map their network to
an area we allocate specifically for them. That way there is no merging as
such, just a bit of "gluing".
Regards, Tim.
If I had a spec for what is needed I could probably also implement what is needed for the user mode router I have written, it would give a little bit of flexibility too as the code is readily available.
Is the Italian HECnet all one area, or are there multiple areas?
As far as I can remember it's all in one area.
Can Cisco's do area remapping? If so, then let's do it, assuming the italians are interested and have some Cisco box.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
---
Filter service subscribers can train this email as spam or not-spam here: http://my.email-as.net/spamham/cgi-bin/learn.pl?messageid=9A4E730CAC6111E2B…
On 2013-04-24 00:01, Robert Jarratt wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-
hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Tim Sneddon
Sent: 23 April 2013 18:44
To: hecnet at update.uu.se
Subject: [HECnet] Italian DECnet...
Hi,
I know there had been discussion before about bringing these two together.
Although, I must admit that I didn't pay too much attention to what went on,
just that I don't think it happened. So, tell me to get lost if this has been
suggested or if nobody cares...
Now that we have Cisco routers and DECbrouters on the network, has
anyone considered connecting a GRE tunnel into their network and then
using the DECnet address translation gateway in IOS to map their network to
an area we allocate specifically for them. That way there is no merging as
such, just a bit of "gluing".
Regards, Tim.
If I had a spec for what is needed I could probably also implement what is needed for the user mode router I have written, it would give a little bit of flexibility too as the code is readily available.
Is the Italian HECnet all one area, or are there multiple areas?
As far as I can remember it's all in one area.
Can Cisco's do area remapping? If so, then let's do it, assuming the italians are interested and have some Cisco box.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-
hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Tim Sneddon
Sent: 23 April 2013 18:44
To: hecnet at update.uu.se
Subject: [HECnet] Italian DECnet...
Hi,
I know there had been discussion before about bringing these two together.
Although, I must admit that I didn't pay too much attention to what went on,
just that I don't think it happened. So, tell me to get lost if this has been
suggested or if nobody cares...
Now that we have Cisco routers and DECbrouters on the network, has
anyone considered connecting a GRE tunnel into their network and then
using the DECnet address translation gateway in IOS to map their network to
an area we allocate specifically for them. That way there is no merging as
such, just a bit of "gluing".
Regards, Tim.
If I had a spec for what is needed I could probably also implement what is needed for the user mode router I have written, it would give a little bit of flexibility too as the code is readily available.
Is the Italian HECnet all one area, or are there multiple areas?
Regards
Rob
Hi,
I know there had been discussion before about bringing these two together. Although, I must admit that I didn't pay too much attention to what went on, just that I don't think it happened. So, tell me to get lost if this has been suggested or if nobody cares...
Now that we have Cisco routers and DECbrouters on the network, has anyone considered connecting a GRE tunnel into their network and then using the DECnet address translation gateway in IOS to map their network to an area we allocate specifically for them. That way there is no merging as such, just a bit of "gluing".
Regards, Tim.
On 2013-04-21 11:57, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-04-21 06:12, Bob Armstrong wrote:
I can t figure this one out I load RSX11M+ from tapes and do a
SYSGEN. All goes perfectly. But then if I do a SYSGEN again (say,
because I want to change something in the first configuration) several
drivers fail to link. Looking at the map file for one, say DLDRV, shows
Undefined references:
$BLKC2
$BMSET
$CVLBN
$MPUBM
$RLCN
$RQCND
$STMAP
$VOLVD
They look like system service calls to me, but the second SYSGEN was
done with the same executive options as the first. In fact, I used the
saved answer file for that part of the SYSGEN all I did the second
time around was to change the peripheral configuration part.
Is there something I m supposed to do to clean up or re-initialize
after the first sysgen?
No. No cleaning up or re-initialization is required.
Yes, the symbols are defined in the kernel. I'm not sure why they fail
to resolve. I've never seen, heard or had this problem.
Could you send the command file that sysgen creates that task builds the
driver?
By the way, DLDRV is vectored, so these symbols are supposed to come from LB:[3,54]RSXVEC.STB. Make sure that file do exist.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 2013-04-21 06:12, Bob Armstrong wrote:
I can t figure this one out I load RSX11M+ from tapes and do a
SYSGEN. All goes perfectly. But then if I do a SYSGEN again (say,
because I want to change something in the first configuration) several
drivers fail to link. Looking at the map file for one, say DLDRV, shows
Undefined references:
$BLKC2
$BMSET
$CVLBN
$MPUBM
$RLCN
$RQCND
$STMAP
$VOLVD
They look like system service calls to me, but the second SYSGEN was
done with the same executive options as the first. In fact, I used the
saved answer file for that part of the SYSGEN all I did the second
time around was to change the peripheral configuration part.
Is there something I m supposed to do to clean up or re-initialize
after the first sysgen?
No. No cleaning up or re-initialization is required.
Yes, the symbols are defined in the kernel. I'm not sure why they fail to resolve. I've never seen, heard or had this problem.
Could you send the command file that sysgen creates that task builds the driver?
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
I can t figure this one out I load RSX11M+ from tapes and do a SYSGEN. All goes perfectly. But then if I do a SYSGEN again (say, because I want to change something in the first configuration) several drivers fail to link. Looking at the map file for one, say DLDRV, shows
Undefined references:
$BLKC2
$BMSET
$CVLBN
$MPUBM
$RLCN
$RQCND
$STMAP
$VOLVD
They look like system service calls to me, but the second SYSGEN was done with the same executive options as the first. In fact, I used the saved answer file for that part of the SYSGEN all I did the second time around was to change the peripheral configuration part.
Is there something I m supposed to do to clean up or re-initialize after the first sysgen?
Thanks,
Bob
