On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
What happened to Masscomp?
One of the Drexel, Burham, Lambert - leveraged buy-outs of the late 1980 of Milken et al.
The guppy swallowed a whale. DBL organized a leveraged buy-out of Perkin-Elmer's computer division to create Concurrent Computer Corp (ticker: CCUR). Masscomp was actually the surviving legal entity, and actually the surviving technology, but the PE guys were clueless and they were the surviving management team. Funny part is CCUR still exists.
The Masscomp alumni list actually has been been active lately thanks to a post a few months back by Jack Burness (author of the original Lunar Lander for the GT that was discussed on this list a few months back). Jack, and others from those days are immortal it seems.
We were all scattering, but the engineering team in particular tends to talk keep in touch. I still keep up with "Fossil" - aka Roger Gourd. Culter's old boss during the writing of what would become VMS. He claims his beard turned grey after DC and he went bald as my boss.
The original convention wouldn't work too well on case-insentive filesystems like HFS+ in a default OS X install. ;)
First thing I do to a Mac is turn on case-senstivity so scripts (much less the rom's in my finger's) don't break. I did have to turn off recently to install Adobe Acrobat Pro for some silly reason, but its back on and Adobe seems to work. Lord know whys those turkeys do not do it correctly.
The only reason DEC folded case in the old days is because they used RAD50 to store file names in very small directories and ASR33 did not have lower case. A bug became a feature. There is no reason for a system designed using full 8-bit ASCII in the directory and designed for a "glass tty" to not keep files case sensitive. But then again we still have the "QWERTY" keyboard because of a workaround for a mechanical bug of years gone by.
Clem
On 20 Mar 2013, at 13:53, "Clem Cole" <clemc at ccc.com> wrote:
Cory
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
I'm used to either Unices that don't differentiate that way, or predate C++. ;)
I really don't think it could pre-date C++ as the cc vs CC convention was Bjarne's, he's the author he got to create the convention! Since all of the early UNIX flavors of C++ were based on his compiler, they all followed it. His original "compiler" was a pre-processor (i.e. C++ to C translator) for the Ritchie and later Johnson C Compiler and for a very long time, C++ was just sold to people as a better C since it called C under the covers. [I once had the sources, but that stuff is long off line. I do still have a copy of his original "C with Classes" paper with an official bell labs cover - that paper actually predates C++ ;-)
Ahhhh. ;)
It's also why the original suffix for C++ was a the capital letter C, not c++ or cpp as we often see today.
I forgot about that! Huh.
IIRC Masscomp was the first to realized we needed to integrate it into the other dev tools, I remember debugging C++ source code being tedious with Masscomp's version of Mark Linton's dbx debugger (dbx was the godfather to gdb). Being ex-DEC (ex-VMS, RT11, and RSX), the compiler guys knew it compete we had to have our own compiler (Sun was late into the compiler biz - about 2-3 yrs after Masscomp BTW).
What happened to Masscomp?
Since we had started with Bjarne's pre-processor for C++, when they did a new formal front-end for the compiler DEC style, Masscomp just replaced the CC preprocessor stuff, with a call to then new compiler, be the name was keep to not break customer's makefiles. Most other UNIX vendors, like Sun would follow suite.
That's a smart decision to keep the convention. Some vendors wouldn't have done that. ;)
The g++ convention came from rms and the gnu guys, who always tended to so things there own way. Plus Redmond did their own thing as they always do, plus they had to deal with the case folding silliness which they took as a feature not a bug caused by the ASR33 in the old days.. Since in the end, GNU and Redmond created more C++ programmers, there conventions stuck.
The original convention wouldn't work too well on case-insentive filesystems like HFS+ in a default OS X install. ;)
Clem
Cory
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
I'm used to either Unices that don't differentiate that way, or predate C++. ;)
I really don't think it could pre-date C++ as the cc vs CC convention was Bjarne's, he's the author he got to create the convention! Since all of the early UNIX flavors of C++ were based on his compiler, they all followed it. His original "compiler" was a pre-processor (i.e. C++ to C translator) for the Ritchie and later Johnson C Compiler and for a very long time, C++ was just sold to people as a better C since it called C under the covers. [I once had the sources, but that stuff is long off line. I do still have a copy of his original "C with Classes" paper with an official bell labs cover - that paper actually predates C++ ;-)
It's also why the original suffix for C++ was a the capital letter C, not c++ or cpp as we often see today.
IIRC Masscomp was the first to realized we needed to integrate it into the other dev tools, I remember debugging C++ source code being tedious with Masscomp's version of Mark Linton's dbx debugger (dbx was the godfather to gdb). Being ex-DEC (ex-VMS, RT11, and RSX), the compiler guys knew it compete we had to have our own compiler (Sun was late into the compiler biz - about 2-3 yrs after Masscomp BTW).
Since we had started with Bjarne's pre-processor for C++, when they did a new formal front-end for the compiler DEC style, Masscomp just replaced the CC preprocessor stuff, with a call to then new compiler, be the name was keep to not break customer's makefiles. Most other UNIX vendors, like Sun would follow suite.
The g++ convention came from rms and the gnu guys, who always tended to so things there own way. Plus Redmond did their own thing as they always do, plus they had to deal with the case folding silliness which they took as a feature not a bug caused by the ASR33 in the old days. Since in the end, GNU and Redmond created more C++ programmers, there conventions stuck.
Clem
On 2013-03-19 23:38, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On 19 Mar 2013, at 23:37, "Dave McGuire" <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 03/19/2013 11:03 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I've gotten OpenSXCE installed and I have managed to get zones to work. It took a
little bit of effort and a lot of time but I have done it.
Nice work. You really should document how you did it.
Thank you. I only had to modify one file to make it work it was a surprisingly simple fix. I will definitely document it if my next task succeeds. I'm going to do a bizarre chain starting at OpenSolaris build 134 and jumping to experimental OpenIndiana 150 for SPARC via IPS, then I will create a zone there on my zones zpool and use it as a template. I will then detach that zone and go back to OpenSXCE. I will then clone that zone for use with the real zones. Having 3 working drives makes this quick and safe. ;)
If all of this works, I can share me templates with you if you'd like.
Yow. You have absorbed Solaris amazingly quickly.
I can pick things up quite quickly if I put my mind to it. ;)
-Dave
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New Kensington, PA
Bah! Invalid syscalls and whatnot. I'd need to forewardport the snv_134 kernel. ;)
zone 'maghan': WARNING: ce1:2: no matching subnet found in netmasks(4): 10.10.2.3; using default of 255.0.0.0.
[Connected to zone 'maghan' console]
Requesting maintenance mode
(See /lib/svc/share/README for additional information.)
I think i'll just run snv_134 and augment it to be patched to some extent.
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On 19 Mar 2013, at 23:03, "Cory Smelosky" <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 19 Mar 2013, at 22:55, "Dave McGuire" <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 03/18/2013 05:10 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I've gotten OpenSXCE installed and I have managed to get zones to work. It took a
little bit of effort and a lot of time but I have done it.
Nice work. You really should document how you did it.
Thank you. I only had to modify one file to make it work it was a surprisingly simple fix. I will definitely document it if my next task succeeds. I'm going to do a bizarre chain starting at OpenSolaris build 134 and jumping to experimental OpenIndiana 150 for SPARC via IPS, then I will create a zone there on my zones zpool and use it as a template. I will then detach that zone and go back to OpenSXCE. I will then clone that zone for use with the real zones. Having 3 working drives makes this quick and safe. ;)
That plan failed but!
I got IPS to work on OpenSXCE in order to provision zones. Now to see if there's not some mismatching of libcs and sys calls that prevent it from booting. ;)
If all of this works, I can share me templates with you if you'd like.
Wish me luck!
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 19 Mar 2013, at 23:37, "Dave McGuire" <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 03/19/2013 11:03 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I've gotten OpenSXCE installed and I have managed to get zones to work. It took a
little bit of effort and a lot of time but I have done it.
Nice work. You really should document how you did it.
Thank you. I only had to modify one file to make it work it was a surprisingly simple fix. I will definitely document it if my next task succeeds. I'm going to do a bizarre chain starting at OpenSolaris build 134 and jumping to experimental OpenIndiana 150 for SPARC via IPS, then I will create a zone there on my zones zpool and use it as a template. I will then detach that zone and go back to OpenSXCE. I will then clone that zone for use with the real zones. Having 3 working drives makes this quick and safe. ;)
If all of this works, I can share me templates with you if you'd like.
Yow. You have absorbed Solaris amazingly quickly.
I can pick things up quite quickly if I put my mind to it. ;)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 03/19/2013 11:03 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I've gotten OpenSXCE installed and I have managed to get zones to work. It took a
little bit of effort and a lot of time but I have done it.
Nice work. You really should document how you did it.
Thank you. I only had to modify one file to make it work it was a surprisingly simple fix. I will definitely document it if my next task succeeds. I'm going to do a bizarre chain starting at OpenSolaris build 134 and jumping to experimental OpenIndiana 150 for SPARC via IPS, then I will create a zone there on my zones zpool and use it as a template. I will then detach that zone and go back to OpenSXCE. I will then clone that zone for use with the real zones. Having 3 working drives makes this quick and safe. ;)
If all of this works, I can share me templates with you if you'd like.
Yow. You have absorbed Solaris amazingly quickly.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 19 Mar 2013, at 23:09, "Gregg Levine" <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:03 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 19 Mar 2013, at 22:55, "Dave McGuire" <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 03/18/2013 05:10 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I've gotten OpenSXCE installed and I have managed to get zones to work. It took a
little bit of effort and a lot of time but I have done it.
Nice work. You really should document how you did it.
Thank you. I only had to modify one file to make it work it was a surprisingly simple fix. I will definitely document it if my next task succeeds.. I'm going to do a bizarre chain starting at OpenSolaris build 134 and jumping to experimental OpenIndiana 150 for SPARC via IPS, then I will create a zone there on my zones zpool and use it as a template. I will then detach that zone and go back to OpenSXCE. I will then clone that zone for use with the real zones. Having 3 working drives makes this quick and safe. ;)
If all of this works, I can share me templates with you if you'd like.
Wish me luck!
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Hello!
May luck and the Force go along with you.
Thank you.
Dave it sounds pretty simple to me. Especially since both the Cybermen
are using 64 Gigabytes for their project, and the Silence are using 32
Gigabytes for theirs, and the Yeti are using 32 Gigabytes for
something they haven't revealed.
But are any of them IBM compatible?
Now please stop staring at that car, I can see you doing that.
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On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:03 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 19 Mar 2013, at 22:55, "Dave McGuire" <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 03/18/2013 05:10 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I've gotten OpenSXCE installed and I have managed to get zones to work. It took a
little bit of effort and a lot of time but I have done it.
Nice work. You really should document how you did it.
Thank you. I only had to modify one file to make it work it was a surprisingly simple fix. I will definitely document it if my next task succeeds. I'm going to do a bizarre chain starting at OpenSolaris build 134 and jumping to experimental OpenIndiana 150 for SPARC via IPS, then I will create a zone there on my zones zpool and use it as a template. I will then detach that zone and go back to OpenSXCE. I will then clone that zone for use with the real zones. Having 3 working drives makes this quick and safe. ;)
If all of this works, I can share me templates with you if you'd like.
Wish me luck!
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Hello!
May luck and the Force go along with you.
Dave it sounds pretty simple to me. Especially since both the Cybermen
are using 64 Gigabytes for their project, and the Silence are using 32
Gigabytes for theirs, and the Yeti are using 32 Gigabytes for
something they haven't revealed.
Now please stop staring at that car, I can see you doing that.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On 19 Mar 2013, at 22:55, "Dave McGuire" <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 03/18/2013 05:10 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I've gotten OpenSXCE installed and I have managed to get zones to work. It took a
little bit of effort and a lot of time but I have done it.
Nice work. You really should document how you did it.
Thank you. I only had to modify one file to make it work it was a surprisingly simple fix. I will definitely document it if my next task succeeds. I'm going to do a bizarre chain starting at OpenSolaris build 134 and jumping to experimental OpenIndiana 150 for SPARC via IPS, then I will create a zone there on my zones zpool and use it as a template. I will then detach that zone and go back to OpenSXCE. I will then clone that zone for use with the real zones. Having 3 working drives makes this quick and safe. ;)
If all of this works, I can share me templates with you if you'd like.
Wish me luck!
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
