-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 19:51
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Node data update
On 2013-11-18 21:17, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 18 Nov 2013, at 00:16, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-11-18 01:13, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-11-17 23:43, Steve Davidson wrote:
Go for it!
In the end though, I would like to see a distribution
list so that
others may take advantage of this.
No problemo. I have a distribution list on MIM for it now.
MIM::US:[BQT]NOTIFY.DIS
Mail uses LEGATO:: as a gateway, so it will not work if
LEGATO is down.
I should clarify that it means mail to destination outside
of HECnet uses LEGATO. Mail to recipients inside HECnet
requires that those specific machines are online (obviously).
Would the CHIMPY::smtp%"foo at bar.com" format work? I use
that for some distribution lists on say HILANT..
Sure. Any address works equally well, actually. As long as
it's a form of address I can use from MIM. It's just that
LEGATO was in my head as a gateway I had used in the past
which worked for delivering mail to the internet.
Then have both LEGATO and CHIMPY as relays, I doubt we'd be
sending out THAT much mail that getting two copies would
bother the recipient too badly..
Up to whomever wants to to tell me what address they want me
to send to.
Of course, I will eventually move to my own SMTP client on
MIM (once I've written it).
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
The whole point of this exercise was to allow the individual systems to
update (in an automated fashion) their node database when Johnny
publishes an update. The automation requires that only one such notice
per event be sent (from Johnny's proedure) directly to the HECnet
system. That is a system with a DECnet node name/address like SGC::.
In this case the only account that has the priv is SGC::SYSTEM. My
system(s) will run DELIVER and just deal with this operation behind the
scenes. I will not have to step in at any time so I can just forget
about it. DELIVER will parse it, and direct it, such that a process
will kick off that will execute NetUpdateV2.COM. Initially it will be
only SGC:: (SYSTEM). I will add others directly because I will give the
address to Johnny, or I will have SGC:: (SYSTEM) forward it to the other
systems within my network, or some of both. The RSX and RSTS systems
will actually execute IND files. I have not yet figured out how the
ULTRIX systems will handle it. Let's get VMS systems to work first -
then deal with the others.
-Steve
-Steve
On 2013-11-18 21:17, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 18 Nov 2013, at 00:16, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-11-18 01:13, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-11-17 23:43, Steve Davidson wrote:
Go for it!
In the end though, I would like to see a distribution list so that
others may take advantage of this.
No problemo. I have a distribution list on MIM for it now.
MIM::US:[BQT]NOTIFY.DIS
Mail uses LEGATO:: as a gateway, so it will not work if LEGATO is down.
I should clarify that it means mail to destination outside of HECnet uses LEGATO. Mail to recipients inside HECnet requires that those specific machines are online (obviously).
Would the CHIMPY::smtp%"foo at bar.com" format work? I use that for some distribution lists on say HILANT..
Sure. Any address works equally well, actually. As long as it's a form of address I can use from MIM. It's just that LEGATO was in my head as a gateway I had used in the past which worked for delivering mail to the internet.
Then have both LEGATO and CHIMPY as relays, I doubt we'd be sending out THAT much mail that getting two copies would bother the recipient too badly..
Up to whomever wants to to tell me what address they want me to send to.
Of course, I will eventually move to my own SMTP client on MIM (once I've written it).
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Sampsa,
I am trying to automate the update of the network database on my systems. One email is all I want to see per update request.
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE on behalf of Sampsa Laine
Sent: Mon 11/18/2013 15:17
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Node data update
On 18 Nov 2013, at 00:16, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-11-18 01:13, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-11-17 23:43, Steve Davidson wrote:
Go for it!
In the end though, I would like to see a distribution list so that
others may take advantage of this.
No problemo. I have a distribution list on MIM for it now.
MIM::US:[BQT]NOTIFY.DIS
Mail uses LEGATO:: as a gateway, so it will not work if LEGATO is down.
I should clarify that it means mail to destination outside of HECnet uses LEGATO. Mail to recipients inside HECnet requires that those specific machines are online (obviously).
Would the CHIMPY::smtp%"foo at bar.com" format work? I use that for some distribution lists on say HILANT..
Then have both LEGATO and CHIMPY as relays, I doubt we'd be sending out THAT much mail that getting two copies would bother the recipient too badly..
Sampsa
On 18 Nov 2013, at 00:16, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-11-18 01:13, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-11-17 23:43, Steve Davidson wrote:
Go for it!
In the end though, I would like to see a distribution list so that
others may take advantage of this.
No problemo. I have a distribution list on MIM for it now.
MIM::US:[BQT]NOTIFY.DIS
Mail uses LEGATO:: as a gateway, so it will not work if LEGATO is down.
I should clarify that it means mail to destination outside of HECnet uses LEGATO. Mail to recipients inside HECnet requires that those specific machines are online (obviously).
Would the CHIMPY::smtp%"foo at bar.com" format work? I use that for some distribution lists on say HILANT..
Then have both LEGATO and CHIMPY as relays, I doubt we'd be sending out THAT much mail that getting two copies would bother the recipient too badly..
Sampsa
Thank you!
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 19:24
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Node data update
On 2013-11-18 01:16, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-11-18 01:13, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-11-17 23:43, Steve Davidson wrote:
Go for it!
In the end though, I would like to see a distribution
list so that
others may take advantage of this.
No problemo. I have a distribution list on MIM for it now.
MIM::US:[BQT]NOTIFY.DIS
Now moved to US:[DECNET]NOTIFY.DIS, just in case someone
curious wants to look at it. And the execution of things are
done from US:[DECNET]MAKEFILE.
Any further questions can be directed directly to me, and
I'll refrain from spamming this list anymore. :-)
Johnny
Mail uses LEGATO:: as a gateway, so it will not work if
LEGATO is down.
I should clarify that it means mail to destination outside
of HECnet
uses LEGATO. Mail to recipients inside HECnet requires that those
specific machines are online (obviously).
Johnny
Also, sometimes database updates might actually not cause any real
change to the number to name mapping, just as a small warning.
Also, at this time, any additions or removals from that
distribution
are handled be me manually. So let me know if you want to be in or
out of that list.
Johnny
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE on behalf of Johnny Billquist
Sent: Sun 11/17/2013 13:51
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Node data update
On 2013-11-17 19:21, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-11-17 17:55, Steve Davidson wrote:
Johnny,
How much effort would be involved for your procedures to send
email to a distribution list announcing a change to the network
database? I could hook that at my end to the running of
NetUpdateV2.COM which already makes use of the file
NODENAMES.DAT,
that the current procedure produces. The subject would
have to be
unique so that the parser could deal with it. A mail
message that
looked something like this:
To: @netupdate.dis
Subject: NETUPDATE
Content would be ignored. To subscribe all anyone
would have to do
would be to submit a HECnet email address to you. I
will volunteer
one
right now to test with - SGC::SYSTEM.
Hmm.. Eventually that would be easy, but the one snag
right now is that
I still do not have a resolver library for RSX finished.
Once I've done
this, I can do any such automation quite easily.
It might be that I could set it up using a DECnet-SMTP
gateway right
now. I just need to check this out a little. Let me come
back to you in
a day or so. Right now I'm trying to understand how
network booting
PDP-11s work...
Johnny
Aw, heck. I get distracted easily...
So, to make things clear - you'd like to get a mail with
a specific
subject line? I figured out how to do that. The sender
will be me, and
the to-line would be you... I can set that up now, if you
want to test
it.
Johnny
Regards,
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Johnny
Billquist
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 14:22
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Node data update
On 2013-11-15 15:49, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Hey Johnny,
Update the extended data for MOYA please. She is a
MicroVAX II
(KA630) with 13M RAM in a BA123.
Updated the CPU, thanks. Care to tell what OS?
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 2013-11-18 01:16, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-11-18 01:13, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-11-17 23:43, Steve Davidson wrote:
Go for it!
In the end though, I would like to see a distribution list so that
others may take advantage of this.
No problemo. I have a distribution list on MIM for it now.
MIM::US:[BQT]NOTIFY.DIS
Now moved to US:[DECNET]NOTIFY.DIS, just in case someone curious wants to look at it. And the execution of things are done from US:[DECNET]MAKEFILE.
Any further questions can be directed directly to me, and I'll refrain from spamming this list anymore. :-)
Johnny
Mail uses LEGATO:: as a gateway, so it will not work if LEGATO is down.
I should clarify that it means mail to destination outside of HECnet
uses LEGATO. Mail to recipients inside HECnet requires that those
specific machines are online (obviously).
Johnny
Also, sometimes database updates might actually not cause any real
change to the number to name mapping, just as a small warning.
Also, at this time, any additions or removals from that distribution are
handled be me manually. So let me know if you want to be in or out of
that list.
Johnny
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE on behalf of Johnny Billquist
Sent: Sun 11/17/2013 13:51
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Node data update
On 2013-11-17 19:21, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-11-17 17:55, Steve Davidson wrote:
Johnny,
How much effort would be involved for your procedures to send email
to a
distribution list announcing a change to the network database? I
could
hook that at my end to the running of NetUpdateV2.COM which already
makes use of the file NODENAMES.DAT, that the current procedure
produces. The subject would have to be unique so that the parser
could
deal with it. A mail message that looked something like this:
To: @netupdate.dis
Subject: NETUPDATE
Content would be ignored. To subscribe all anyone would have to do
would be to submit a HECnet email address to you. I will volunteer
one
right now to test with - SGC::SYSTEM.
Hmm.. Eventually that would be easy, but the one snag right now is that
I still do not have a resolver library for RSX finished. Once I've done
this, I can do any such automation quite easily.
It might be that I could set it up using a DECnet-SMTP gateway right
now. I just need to check this out a little. Let me come back to you in
a day or so. Right now I'm trying to understand how network booting
PDP-11s work...
Johnny
Aw, heck. I get distracted easily...
So, to make things clear - you'd like to get a mail with a specific
subject line? I figured out how to do that. The sender will be me, and
the to-line would be you... I can set that up now, if you want to test
it.
Johnny
Regards,
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 14:22
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Node data update
On 2013-11-15 15:49, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Hey Johnny,
Update the extended data for MOYA please. She is a MicroVAX II
(KA630) with 13M RAM in a BA123.
Updated the CPU, thanks. Care to tell what OS?
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 2013-11-18 01:13, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-11-17 23:43, Steve Davidson wrote:
Go for it!
In the end though, I would like to see a distribution list so that
others may take advantage of this.
No problemo. I have a distribution list on MIM for it now.
MIM::US:[BQT]NOTIFY.DIS
Mail uses LEGATO:: as a gateway, so it will not work if LEGATO is down.
I should clarify that it means mail to destination outside of HECnet uses LEGATO. Mail to recipients inside HECnet requires that those specific machines are online (obviously).
Johnny
Also, sometimes database updates might actually not cause any real
change to the number to name mapping, just as a small warning.
Also, at this time, any additions or removals from that distribution are
handled be me manually. So let me know if you want to be in or out of
that list.
Johnny
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE on behalf of Johnny Billquist
Sent: Sun 11/17/2013 13:51
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Node data update
On 2013-11-17 19:21, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-11-17 17:55, Steve Davidson wrote:
Johnny,
How much effort would be involved for your procedures to send email
to a
distribution list announcing a change to the network database? I could
hook that at my end to the running of NetUpdateV2.COM which already
makes use of the file NODENAMES.DAT, that the current procedure
produces. The subject would have to be unique so that the parser could
deal with it. A mail message that looked something like this:
To: @netupdate.dis
Subject: NETUPDATE
Content would be ignored. To subscribe all anyone would have to do
would be to submit a HECnet email address to you. I will volunteer one
right now to test with - SGC::SYSTEM.
Hmm.. Eventually that would be easy, but the one snag right now is that
I still do not have a resolver library for RSX finished. Once I've done
this, I can do any such automation quite easily.
It might be that I could set it up using a DECnet-SMTP gateway right
now. I just need to check this out a little. Let me come back to you in
a day or so. Right now I'm trying to understand how network booting
PDP-11s work...
Johnny
Aw, heck. I get distracted easily...
So, to make things clear - you'd like to get a mail with a specific
subject line? I figured out how to do that. The sender will be me, and
the to-line would be you... I can set that up now, if you want to test
it.
Johnny
Regards,
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 14:22
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Node data update
On 2013-11-15 15:49, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Hey Johnny,
Update the extended data for MOYA please. She is a MicroVAX II
(KA630) with 13M RAM in a BA123.
Updated the CPU, thanks. Care to tell what OS?
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 2013-11-17 23:43, Steve Davidson wrote:
Go for it!
In the end though, I would like to see a distribution list so that others may take advantage of this.
No problemo. I have a distribution list on MIM for it now. MIM::US:[BQT]NOTIFY.DIS
Mail uses LEGATO:: as a gateway, so it will not work if LEGATO is down. Also, sometimes database updates might actually not cause any real change to the number to name mapping, just as a small warning.
Also, at this time, any additions or removals from that distribution are handled be me manually. So let me know if you want to be in or out of that list.
Johnny
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE on behalf of Johnny Billquist
Sent: Sun 11/17/2013 13:51
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Node data update
On 2013-11-17 19:21, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-11-17 17:55, Steve Davidson wrote:
Johnny,
How much effort would be involved for your procedures to send email to a
distribution list announcing a change to the network database? I could
hook that at my end to the running of NetUpdateV2.COM which already
makes use of the file NODENAMES.DAT, that the current procedure
produces. The subject would have to be unique so that the parser could
deal with it. A mail message that looked something like this:
To: @netupdate.dis
Subject: NETUPDATE
Content would be ignored. To subscribe all anyone would have to do
would be to submit a HECnet email address to you. I will volunteer one
right now to test with - SGC::SYSTEM.
Hmm.. Eventually that would be easy, but the one snag right now is that
I still do not have a resolver library for RSX finished. Once I've done
this, I can do any such automation quite easily.
It might be that I could set it up using a DECnet-SMTP gateway right
now. I just need to check this out a little. Let me come back to you in
a day or so. Right now I'm trying to understand how network booting
PDP-11s work...
Johnny
Aw, heck. I get distracted easily...
So, to make things clear - you'd like to get a mail with a specific
subject line? I figured out how to do that. The sender will be me, and
the to-line would be you... I can set that up now, if you want to test it.
Johnny
Regards,
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 14:22
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Node data update
On 2013-11-15 15:49, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Hey Johnny,
Update the extended data for MOYA please. She is a MicroVAX II
(KA630) with 13M RAM in a BA123.
Updated the CPU, thanks. Care to tell what OS?
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Go for it!
In the end though, I would like to see a distribution list so that others may take advantage of this.
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE on behalf of Johnny Billquist
Sent: Sun 11/17/2013 13:51
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Node data update
On 2013-11-17 19:21, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-11-17 17:55, Steve Davidson wrote:
Johnny,
How much effort would be involved for your procedures to send email to a
distribution list announcing a change to the network database? I could
hook that at my end to the running of NetUpdateV2.COM which already
makes use of the file NODENAMES.DAT, that the current procedure
produces. The subject would have to be unique so that the parser could
deal with it. A mail message that looked something like this:
To: @netupdate.dis
Subject: NETUPDATE
Content would be ignored. To subscribe all anyone would have to do
would be to submit a HECnet email address to you. I will volunteer one
right now to test with - SGC::SYSTEM.
Hmm.. Eventually that would be easy, but the one snag right now is that
I still do not have a resolver library for RSX finished. Once I've done
this, I can do any such automation quite easily.
It might be that I could set it up using a DECnet-SMTP gateway right
now. I just need to check this out a little. Let me come back to you in
a day or so. Right now I'm trying to understand how network booting
PDP-11s work...
Johnny
Aw, heck. I get distracted easily...
So, to make things clear - you'd like to get a mail with a specific
subject line? I figured out how to do that. The sender will be me, and
the to-line would be you... I can set that up now, if you want to test it.
Johnny
Regards,
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 14:22
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Node data update
On 2013-11-15 15:49, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Hey Johnny,
Update the extended data for MOYA please. She is a MicroVAX II
(KA630) with 13M RAM in a BA123.
Updated the CPU, thanks. Care to tell what OS?
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 2013-11-17 19:21, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-11-17 17:55, Steve Davidson wrote:
Johnny,
How much effort would be involved for your procedures to send email to a
distribution list announcing a change to the network database? I could
hook that at my end to the running of NetUpdateV2.COM which already
makes use of the file NODENAMES.DAT, that the current procedure
produces. The subject would have to be unique so that the parser could
deal with it. A mail message that looked something like this:
To: @netupdate.dis
Subject: NETUPDATE
Content would be ignored. To subscribe all anyone would have to do
would be to submit a HECnet email address to you. I will volunteer one
right now to test with - SGC::SYSTEM.
Hmm.. Eventually that would be easy, but the one snag right now is that
I still do not have a resolver library for RSX finished. Once I've done
this, I can do any such automation quite easily.
It might be that I could set it up using a DECnet-SMTP gateway right
now. I just need to check this out a little. Let me come back to you in
a day or so. Right now I'm trying to understand how network booting
PDP-11s work...
Johnny
Aw, heck. I get distracted easily...
So, to make things clear - you'd like to get a mail with a specific subject line? I figured out how to do that. The sender will be me, and the to-line would be you... I can set that up now, if you want to test it.
Johnny
Regards,
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 14:22
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Node data update
On 2013-11-15 15:49, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Hey Johnny,
Update the extended data for MOYA please. She is a MicroVAX II
(KA630) with 13M RAM in a BA123.
Updated the CPU, thanks. Care to tell what OS?
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
