On 14 Jan 2013, at 20:11, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
Unless you want to run OS/390. ;)
What on real hardware? Or some emulator that does SNA..?
Hercules can run OS/390 and z/OS. One of those supports SNA over IP. I'm not sure which. I think Dave might know a bit about this.
sampsa
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On 14 Jan 2013, at 20:07, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
Some googling sows a major issue: Hercules doesn't seem to implement SNA bits, so it'd need to eb encapsulated over IP and I don't think MVS can do that. ;)
Well, that's the end of that project :)
Unless you want to run OS/390. ;)
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On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 14 Jan 2013, at 20:00, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 14 Jan 2013, at 19:58, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
On 15 Jan 2013, at 02:51, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 14 Jan 2013, at 19:50, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
There's actually a piece of software you run on MVS that exports the datasets as RMS files.
Can more than MVS be used? I think we should spin up some VM/370 instances will hercules run on VMS?
I think the export software is MVS only. I've no idea if Hercules will run on VMS..
Hmmm.
The SNA networking is handled (I believe) by the SNA layered product on VMS.
Ahhhhh. Happen to have a copy?
I actually do, on RHESUS::[.medialib.AXP.SPL.DISK3.SNADTFS033] (well I think this is the kit)
There's also a SNA-3270 package in there, I think that lets you log in to the MVS system from VMS..
That would be interesting. ;)
Happen to know how SNA figures out which physical system is which? I'm trying to figure out where we'd need the gateways to be.
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http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff!
http://gimme-sympathy.org/ My permanently-a-work-in-progress pet project.
Some googling sows a major issue: Hercules doesn't seem to implement SNA bits, so it'd need to eb encapsulated over IP and I don't think MVS can do that. ;)
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Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff!
http://gimme-sympathy.org/ My permanently-a-work-in-progress pet project.
Hello!
Sadly yes. It has been a sore point for a while now. In fact since the
turn of the century.
In fact everything that goes wrong to sour this idea of yours Sampsa
is being blamed on six Yetis and four Cybermen all in the yard
surrounding Dave's place. And the monsters in four closets
inside......
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Some googling sows a major issue: Hercules doesn't seem to implement SNA bits, so it'd need to eb encapsulated over IP and I don't think MVS can do that. ;)
Well, that's the end of that project :)
sampsa
On 14 Jan 2013, at 20:00, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 14 Jan 2013, at 19:58, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
On 15 Jan 2013, at 02:51, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 14 Jan 2013, at 19:50, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
There's actually a piece of software you run on MVS that exports the datasets as RMS files.
Can more than MVS be used? I think we should spin up some VM/370 instances will hercules run on VMS?
I think the export software is MVS only. I've no idea if Hercules will run on VMS..
Hmmm.
The SNA networking is handled (I believe) by the SNA layered product on VMS.
Ahhhhh. Happen to have a copy?
I actually do, on RHESUS::[.medialib.AXP.SPL.DISK3.SNADTFS033] (well I think this is the kit)
There's also a SNA-3270 package in there, I think that lets you log in to the MVS system from VMS..
That would be interesting. ;)
Happen to know how SNA figures out which physical system is which? I'm trying to figure out where we'd need the gateways to be.
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff!
http://gimme-sympathy.org/ My permanently-a-work-in-progress pet project.
Some googling sows a major issue: Hercules doesn't seem to implement SNA bits, so it'd need to eb encapsulated over IP and I don't think MVS can do that. ;)
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff!
http://gimme-sympathy.org/ My permanently-a-work-in-progress pet project.
On 14 Jan 2013, at 19:58, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
On 15 Jan 2013, at 02:51, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 14 Jan 2013, at 19:50, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
There's actually a piece of software you run on MVS that exports the datasets as RMS files.
Can more than MVS be used? I think we should spin up some VM/370 instances will hercules run on VMS?
I think the export software is MVS only. I've no idea if Hercules will run on VMS..
Hmmm.
The SNA networking is handled (I believe) by the SNA layered product on VMS.
Ahhhhh. Happen to have a copy?
I actually do, on RHESUS::[.medialib.AXP.SPL.DISK3.SNADTFS033] (well I think this is the kit)
There's also a SNA-3270 package in there, I think that lets you log in to the MVS system from VMS..
That would be interesting. ;)
Happen to know how SNA figures out which physical system is which? I'm trying to figure out where we'd need the gateways to be.
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff!
http://gimme-sympathy.org/ My permanently-a-work-in-progress pet project.
On 15 Jan 2013, at 02:51, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 14 Jan 2013, at 19:50, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
There's actually a piece of software you run on MVS that exports the datasets as RMS files.
Can more than MVS be used? I think we should spin up some VM/370 instances will hercules run on VMS?
I think the export software is MVS only. I've no idea if Hercules will run on VMS..
The SNA networking is handled (I believe) by the SNA layered product on VMS.
Ahhhhh. Happen to have a copy?
I actually do, on RHESUS::[.medialib.AXP.SPL.DISK3.SNADTFS033] (well I think this is the kit)
There's also a SNA-3270 package in there, I think that lets you log in to the MVS system from VMS..
On 14 Jan 2013, at 19:50, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
There's actually a piece of software you run on MVS that exports the datasets as RMS files.
Can more than MVS be used? I think we should spin up some VM/370 instances will hercules run on VMS?
The SNA networking is handled (I believe) by the SNA layered product on VMS.
Ahhhhh. Happen to have a copy?
sampsa
On 15 Jan 2013, at 02:47, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 14 Jan 2013, at 19:45, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
I just got the idea from reading the DECNET manuals about interfacing with IBM systems.
I personally am a total noob when it comes to MVS, I've got the the Turnkey distribution running somewhere but I don't really know anything about it.
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/ios/12_2/ibm/configuration/guide/bcfsnasw_p…
Seems I might be able to do something about this Dave and Peter would probably need to help if we go the Cisco route. ;)
But is SNA a protocol suite in a manner similar to DECnet?
sampsa
On 15 Jan 2013, at 02:43, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 7:41 PM, <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Has anybody tried to set this up? I think it'd be nifty if we had say Hercules with MVS connected to HECnet..
sampsa
Hello!
Yes it would. But which version of that turkey? And it would need to
be a guest of VM to make it work properly.
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"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
There's actually a piece of software you run on MVS that exports the datasets as RMS files.
The SNA networking is handled (I believe) by the SNA layered product on VMS.
sampsa
On 15 Jan 2013, at 02:47, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 14 Jan 2013, at 19:45, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
I just got the idea from reading the DECNET manuals about interfacing with IBM systems.
I personally am a total noob when it comes to MVS, I've got the the Turnkey distribution running somewhere but I don't really know anything about it.
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/ios/12_2/ibm/configuration/guide/bcfsnasw_p…
Seems I might be able to do something about this Dave and Peter would probably need to help if we go the Cisco route. ;)
But is SNA a protocol suite in a manner similar to DECnet?
sampsa
On 15 Jan 2013, at 02:43, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 7:41 PM, <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Has anybody tried to set this up? I think it'd be nifty if we had say Hercules with MVS connected to HECnet..
sampsa
Hello!
Yes it would. But which version of that turkey? And it would need to
be a guest of VM to make it work properly.
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"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
