HECnet December 2012

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DECnet/DOS, was Re: [HECnet] DECnet and Windows NT?

by system＠TMESIS.COM

Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> writes: Does anyone have a copy of DECnet/DOS? I no longer do, at least not that I can find. I more than likely do in my cache of aluminized poly-carbonate mini-frisbees. I never used PW (I do NOT do WEENDOZE) but I seem to recall that clients were licensed in later versions (DECnet/DOS->PathWorks->AdvancedServer). Anybody running more recent versions of WEENDOZE may be able to install the software but might find they're stuck after that without having the license PAKs which authorize the use. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.

11 years, 11 months

DECnet/DOS, was Re: [HECnet] DECnet and Windows NT?

by md.benson＠gmail.com

On 21 Dec 2012, at 08:58, sampsa at mac.com wrote: Hey there's been a Windows NT box on HECnet for ages, BONZO (8.800) Two, actually, 6.11 (BGATES) (cute name, huh?) is a Windows XP box running HP PathWorks It works acceptably but as it's a dual PIII with 1GB of RAM it's not the fastest thing on two legs by a long chalk. It's just not been up very much :) Mine either. There's really only so much you can do with a Windows box on DECnet. -- Mark Benson http://DECtec.info Twitter: @DECtecInfo HECnet: STAR69::MARK Online Resource & Mailing List for DEC Enthusiasts.

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DECnet/DOS, was Re: [HECnet] DECnet and Windows NT?

by jg＠jordi.guillaumes.name

El 21/12/2012, a les 4:42, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> va escriure: While you're at it, DECnet/DOS was really nice for the time. I believe (but am not certain, can anyone clarify?) that it is what grew into Pathworks. We used it extensively in our network back at the early 90's. IIRC the name evolution was DECnet/DOS => PCSA => PATHWORKS. The main problem with the DOS version was it ate a lot of "real" memory (about 300KB if my memory does not betray me). That left a very small space for applications... On the nice side, it came with an EDT compatible editor (SEDT... I miss it :)) and a XServer for DOS which worked nicely with DECWindows. That was the reason the puck mouse interface was in the LAN card. We had a DEC-centric office system back in those days. ALL-IN-1 running in the VAXen and WPS-DOS running in the peecees for word processing (BTW, does anyone have a WPS-DOS disk set arount? ;)). 20/20 for spreadsheet at both sides. And TEAMDATA to allow the end users to browse the databases. We bought 3300s for the remote offices. 3 of them I think. We linked those to our main site using 1200bps point-to-point lines with DECRouters at each side (1 port models at the remote end, a 4 port one at our central office). One of those 3300s ended at my home, and is now called BITXO2 :). DEC made an 8-bit ISA Ethernet card, that also (inexplicably) had a port on it for one of the DEC "puck" mice. Yes, the DEPCA! Jordi Guillaumes i Pons jg at jordi.guillaumes.name HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES

11 years, 11 months

DECnet/DOS, was Re: [HECnet] DECnet and Windows NT?

by sampsa＠mac.com

On 21 Dec 2012, at 07:24, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On 21 Dec 2012, at 00:09, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 12/20/2012 11:28 PM, Gregg Levine wrote: If this card is the one who had strange ears and also worked in of all things an IBM PC/AT model 5160, then I believe I have it on floppy. Now this presupposes that I can find the blasted thing, and can convince the only machine I have who can read the blasted things, to allow me to stuff the binary blobs into a zip file then yes I can do that. If that works out, I'd appreciate it very much! I'm pretty sure I still have one of those DEC Ethernet cards. It has now come to mind that it was called a "DEPCA". This does not explain why there are four yetis outside your place drinking cheap booze and eating cheaper food. No it doesn't, but I know why they're there. Oh dear. Can you post a photo? Of the DEPCA, or the yetis? The former is in a box somewhere; I'll document it when I find it. The yetis...well, you know all too well how they are about having their pictures taken. Now why are your machines including one PDP-11 and two Vaxes laughing? They're laughing about the possibility of having a stupid PeeCee join them on the grownups' network! Oh no! They're going to hurt poor Windows NT's feelings. :( Hey there's been a Windows NT box on HECnet for ages, BONZO (8.800) It's just not been up very much :) sampsa

11 years, 11 months

DECnet/DOS, was Re: [HECnet] DECnet and Windows NT?

by b4＠gewt.net

On 21 Dec 2012, at 00:09, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 12/20/2012 11:28 PM, Gregg Levine wrote: If this card is the one who had strange ears and also worked in of all things an IBM PC/AT model 5160, then I believe I have it on floppy. Now this presupposes that I can find the blasted thing, and can convince the only machine I have who can read the blasted things, to allow me to stuff the binary blobs into a zip file then yes I can do that. If that works out, I'd appreciate it very much! I'm pretty sure I still have one of those DEC Ethernet cards. It has now come to mind that it was called a "DEPCA". This does not explain why there are four yetis outside your place drinking cheap booze and eating cheaper food. No it doesn't, but I know why they're there. Oh dear. Can you post a photo? Of the DEPCA, or the yetis? The former is in a box somewhere; I'll document it when I find it. The yetis...well, you know all too well how they are about having their pictures taken. Now why are your machines including one PDP-11 and two Vaxes laughing? They're laughing about the possibility of having a stupid PeeCee join them on the grownups' network! Oh no! They're going to hurt poor Windows NT's feelings. :( -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

11 years, 11 months

DECnet/DOS, was Re: [HECnet] DECnet and Windows NT?

by pinoccio＠gmx.com

Pathworks 4.0 client for DOS ftp://simh.trailing-edge.com/pub/vax_dists/bb-nz23b-xh_pwrks_v4_0_dos.tap.bz 2 To use it you need network card with DOS NDIS (yes, standard M$ NDIS) drivers. Latest Pathwork for Windows ftp://ftp.langstoeger.at/PC/PATHWORKS32/;type=d -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Dave McGuire Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 5:42 AM To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: DECnet/DOS, was Re: [HECnet] DECnet and Windows NT? On 12/20/2012 10:33 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: I've got PATHWORKS running on NT 4.0. You can basically CTERM out to other boxes and download files using a horrendous GUI to FAL. But it works nicely, does LAT too. Sampsa Fun! Where would I get it? ;) While you're at it, DECnet/DOS was really nice for the time. I believe (but am not certain, can anyone clarify?) that it is what grew into Pathworks. DEC made an 8-bit ISA Ethernet card, that also (inexplicably) had a port on it for one of the DEC "puck" mice. DECnet/DOS supported file transfers and CTERM, and I think LAT but I may be misremembering that part. I seem to recall it having worked pretty well. At the time, I was using it on my home network, which consisted of a MicroVAX- II, a VAXstation-2000, and a 16MHz 80286-based DOS machine, the latter of which was state of the art at the time. Does anyone have a copy of DECnet/DOS? I no longer do, at least not that I can find. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

11 years, 11 months

DECnet/DOS, was Re: [HECnet] DECnet and Windows NT?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 12/20/2012 11:28 PM, Gregg Levine wrote: If this card is the one who had strange ears and also worked in of all things an IBM PC/AT model 5160, then I believe I have it on floppy. Now this presupposes that I can find the blasted thing, and can convince the only machine I have who can read the blasted things, to allow me to stuff the binary blobs into a zip file then yes I can do that. If that works out, I'd appreciate it very much! I'm pretty sure I still have one of those DEC Ethernet cards. It has now come to mind that it was called a "DEPCA". This does not explain why there are four yetis outside your place drinking cheap booze and eating cheaper food. No it doesn't, but I know why they're there. Oh dear. Can you post a photo? Of the DEPCA, or the yetis? The former is in a box somewhere; I'll document it when I find it. The yetis...well, you know all too well how they are about having their pictures taken. Now why are your machines including one PDP-11 and two Vaxes laughing? They're laughing about the possibility of having a stupid PeeCee join them on the grownups' network! -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

11 years, 11 months

DECnet/DOS, was Re: [HECnet] DECnet and Windows NT?

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 12/20/2012 10:45 PM, Gregg Levine wrote: If this card is the one who had strange ears and also worked in of all things an IBM PC/AT model 5160, then I believe I have it on floppy. Now this presupposes that I can find the blasted thing, and can convince the only machine I have who can read the blasted things, to allow me to stuff the binary blobs into a zip file then yes I can do that. If that works out, I'd appreciate it very much! I'm pretty sure I still have one of those DEC Ethernet cards. It has now come to mind that it was called a "DEPCA". This does not explain why there are four yetis outside your place drinking cheap booze and eating cheaper food. No it doesn't, but I know why they're there. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA Hello! Oh dear. Can you post a photo? Now why are your machines including one PDP-11 and two Vaxes laughing? ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

11 years, 11 months

DECnet/DOS, was Re: [HECnet] DECnet and Windows NT?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 12/20/2012 10:45 PM, Gregg Levine wrote: If this card is the one who had strange ears and also worked in of all things an IBM PC/AT model 5160, then I believe I have it on floppy. Now this presupposes that I can find the blasted thing, and can convince the only machine I have who can read the blasted things, to allow me to stuff the binary blobs into a zip file then yes I can do that. If that works out, I'd appreciate it very much! I'm pretty sure I still have one of those DEC Ethernet cards. It has now come to mind that it was called a "DEPCA". This does not explain why there are four yetis outside your place drinking cheap booze and eating cheaper food. No it doesn't, but I know why they're there. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

11 years, 11 months

DECnet/DOS, was Re: [HECnet] DECnet and Windows NT?

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 10:42 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 12/20/2012 10:33 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: I've got PATHWORKS running on NT 4.0. You can basically CTERM out to other boxes and download files using a horrendous GUI to FAL. But it works nicely, does LAT too. Sampsa Fun! Where would I get it? ;) While you're at it, DECnet/DOS was really nice for the time. I believe (but am not certain, can anyone clarify?) that it is what grew into Pathworks. DEC made an 8-bit ISA Ethernet card, that also (inexplicably) had a port on it for one of the DEC "puck" mice. DECnet/DOS supported file transfers and CTERM, and I think LAT but I may be misremembering that part. I seem to recall it having worked pretty well. At the time, I was using it on my home network, which consisted of a MicroVAX-II, a VAXstation-2000, and a 16MHz 80286-based DOS machine, the latter of which was state of the art at the time. Does anyone have a copy of DECnet/DOS? I no longer do, at least not that I can find. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA Hello! If this card is the one who had strange ears and also worked in of all things an IBM PC/AT model 5160, then I believe I have it on floppy. Now this presupposes that I can find the blasted thing, and can convince the only machine I have who can read the blasted things, to allow me to stuff the binary blobs into a zip file then yes I can do that. This does not explain why there are four yetis outside your place drinking cheap booze and eating cheaper food. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

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