You can use 7.3 to generate a bootable standalone backup on a RL02 disk. Then you can boot that RL02 in the 780 and proceed with the install. You can't boot a tape in the SIMH 780.
Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
Barcelona - Catalunya - Europa
El 24/12/2012, a les 3:23, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> va escriure:
On 2012-12-24 03:05, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
I might have the wrong tape.
Is there some specific reason for V4.6?
Get a news VMS version -- I can make V6.something or V7.something available
for you -- and then, restore the .B save set to your boot device. Then, you
boot from the system disk to continue the install. Back then, VMS was dis-
tributed on tape. I've no idea how you access that from SimH. During the
boot, VMS will prompt you to enter where the distribution media is mounted
and then, it will just do the rest -- just answer to the questions as they
arise.
If I can find the time, I'll get to my storage unit and pull the V4 (orange
wall) tomes with the installation notes for 11/780 just in case.
As I remember the procedure, it's kindof tricky to see how you'd do it in simh.
On a real 11/780, you'd boot the standalone backup first. Not sure, but I think that would have been a bunch of RX01 floppies.
One the standalone backup is running, you can restore the distribution tape .B saveset to the destination disk, and after that, things starts getting easier.
However, as simh don't have the FE, nor RX01, how do you get the standalone backup running?
I wonder if you could use the standalone backup from a newer VMS to install a really old version. Recent CD distributions boot the standalone backup, and I suspect you would able to boot simh into that.
Not sure what Cory's real problem is though, as he claims he now restores the .B saveset and still don't get a bootable system. Did the backup restore the saveset without complaints?
What is the name of the saveset you are restoring, Cory?
Have you atleast read through the installation manual for a recent VMS? I think the basic procedure is unchanged.
Johnny
On 24 Dec 2012, at 02:33, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons <jg at jordi.guillaumes.name> wrote:
BITXOO runs 4.7 ;)
I can post a RL02 with a bootable 4.7 BACKUP if that could be of help to bootstrap the 4.7 install.
No need now, I figured it with a little help from the mailing list and then some random button mashing.
Thanks though. We could maybe put some documentation on doing this whole install up somewhere. Maybe a wiki article over on gunkies? ;)
Also, how did you license decnet? It asks me to license it when I run STARTNET.COM
(fun fact: I found a typo when running NETCONFIG on 5.2)
Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
Barcelona - Catalunya - Europa
El 24/12/2012, a les 1:58, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> va escriure:
On 23 Dec 2012, at 19:57, "Steve Davidson" <jeep at scshome.net> wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Cory Smelosky
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 19:52
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] New node in area 19
On 23 Dec 2012, at 19:51, "Steve Davidson" <jeep at scshome.net> wrote:
Johnny,
Please add node 19.140 name DWARF to DECnet. It is a SimH
instance on
a Raspberry Pi. It will be running VMS (VAX-11/780).
Which version of VMS?
-Steve
V7.3 at the moment. It will be running multiple versions as time
permits. It is a dual boot. It can boot standalone or as a cluster
member (satellite). When I find my VAX-11/780 documentation I will
choose the drives that were available at the time to be as close as
possible to a "real" system.
I think I may do something similar, due to having difficulty booting anything other than V7.3 on the 780 simulator. ;)
-Steve
BITXOO runs 4.7 ;)
I can post a RL02 with a bootable 4.7 BACKUP if that could be of help to bootstrap the 4.7 install.
Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
Barcelona - Catalunya - Europa
El 24/12/2012, a les 1:58, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> va escriure:
On 23 Dec 2012, at 19:57, "Steve Davidson" <jeep at scshome.net> wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Cory Smelosky
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 19:52
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] New node in area 19
On 23 Dec 2012, at 19:51, "Steve Davidson" <jeep at scshome.net> wrote:
Johnny,
Please add node 19.140 name DWARF to DECnet. It is a SimH
instance on
a Raspberry Pi. It will be running VMS (VAX-11/780).
Which version of VMS?
-Steve
V7.3 at the moment. It will be running multiple versions as time
permits. It is a dual boot. It can boot standalone or as a cluster
member (satellite). When I find my VAX-11/780 documentation I will
choose the drives that were available at the time to be as close as
possible to a "real" system.
I think I may do something similar, due to having difficulty booting anything other than V7.3 on the 780 simulator. ;)
-Steve
On 23 Dec 2012, at 21:42, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2012-12-24 03:37, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On 23 Dec 2012, at 21:33, "Steve Davidson" <jeep at scshome.net> wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Cory Smelosky
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 21:25
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Cc: Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Older VAXVMS Install kits?
On 23 Dec 2012, at 21:23, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2012-12-24 03:05, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
I might have the wrong tape.
Is there some specific reason for V4.6?
Get a news VMS version -- I can make V6.something or V7.something
available for you -- and then, restore the .B save set to
your boot
device. Then, you boot from the system disk to continue
the install.
Back then, VMS was dis- tributed on tape. I've no idea how you
access that from SimH. During the boot, VMS will prompt
you to enter
where the distribution media is mounted and then, it will
just do the
rest -- just answer to the questions as they arise.
If I can find the time, I'll get to my storage unit and
pull the V4
(orange
wall) tomes with the installation notes for 11/780 just in case.
As I remember the procedure, it's kindof tricky to see how
you'd do it in simh.
On a real 11/780, you'd boot the standalone backup first.
Not sure, but I think that would have been a bunch of RX01 floppies.
One the standalone backup is running, you can restore the
distribution tape .B saveset to the destination disk, and
after that, things starts getting easier.
However, as simh don't have the FE, nor RX01, how do you
get the standalone backup running?
I wonder if you could use the standalone backup from a
newer VMS to install a really old version. Recent CD
distributions boot the standalone backup, and I suspect you
would able to boot simh into that.
I'm booting VMS 7.3 and running backup from there to image it
to another disk. Does it NEED to be standalone backup?
Not sure what Cory's real problem is though, as he claims
he now restores the .B saveset and still don't get a bootable
system. Did the backup restore the saveset without complaints?
What is the name of the saveset you are restoring, Cory?
Have you atleast read through the installation manual for a
recent VMS? I think the basic procedure is unchanged.
It copies the backup set without issue. Am I perhaps
attaching it to the wrong tape device? (tq)
Johnny
It can be standalone or not. Try:
$backup/image/verify <version-saveset>.b/save <device>:
THAT worked.
What line did you use before? And why didn't you read the manuals?
Anyway. Good that you got somewhere.
I even managed to get VMS 4.0 to work. Turns out I needed to copy REQUIRED. instead of <VER>.A.
Johnny
On 24 Dec 2012, at 00:16, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
Hey Johnny,
When you get the chance, add MAE (9.11) to the novelist!
Let's plan for the future so I won't need to bug you:
MOYA (9.12)
MOIRA (9.13)
as well.
Thanks!
On 23 Dec 2012, at 21:42, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2012-12-24 03:37, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On 23 Dec 2012, at 21:33, "Steve Davidson" <jeep at scshome.net> wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Cory Smelosky
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 21:25
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Cc: Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Older VAXVMS Install kits?
On 23 Dec 2012, at 21:23, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2012-12-24 03:05, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
I might have the wrong tape.
Is there some specific reason for V4.6?
Get a news VMS version -- I can make V6.something or V7.something
available for you -- and then, restore the .B save set to
your boot
device. Then, you boot from the system disk to continue
the install.
Back then, VMS was dis- tributed on tape. I've no idea how you
access that from SimH. During the boot, VMS will prompt
you to enter
where the distribution media is mounted and then, it will
just do the
rest -- just answer to the questions as they arise.
If I can find the time, I'll get to my storage unit and
pull the V4
(orange
wall) tomes with the installation notes for 11/780 just in case.
As I remember the procedure, it's kindof tricky to see how
you'd do it in simh.
On a real 11/780, you'd boot the standalone backup first.
Not sure, but I think that would have been a bunch of RX01 floppies.
One the standalone backup is running, you can restore the
distribution tape .B saveset to the destination disk, and
after that, things starts getting easier.
However, as simh don't have the FE, nor RX01, how do you
get the standalone backup running?
I wonder if you could use the standalone backup from a
newer VMS to install a really old version. Recent CD
distributions boot the standalone backup, and I suspect you
would able to boot simh into that.
I'm booting VMS 7.3 and running backup from there to image it
to another disk. Does it NEED to be standalone backup?
Not sure what Cory's real problem is though, as he claims
he now restores the .B saveset and still don't get a bootable
system. Did the backup restore the saveset without complaints?
What is the name of the saveset you are restoring, Cory?
Have you atleast read through the installation manual for a
recent VMS? I think the basic procedure is unchanged.
It copies the backup set without issue. Am I perhaps
attaching it to the wrong tape device? (tq)
Johnny
It can be standalone or not. Try:
$backup/image/verify <version-saveset>.b/save <device>:
THAT worked.
What line did you use before? And why didn't you read the manuals?
backup vms052.b/save_set dual: As per the VMS 5.0 documentation, with 50 changed to 52.
However, doing backup/image/verify vms052.b/save dua1: worked.
I will go back to trying VMS 4.6 in a bit.
Anyway. Good that you got somewhere.
Johnny
On 2012-12-24 03:37, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On 23 Dec 2012, at 21:33, "Steve Davidson" <jeep at scshome.net> wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Cory Smelosky
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 21:25
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Cc: Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Older VAXVMS Install kits?
On 23 Dec 2012, at 21:23, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2012-12-24 03:05, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
I might have the wrong tape.
Is there some specific reason for V4.6?
Get a news VMS version -- I can make V6.something or V7.something
available for you -- and then, restore the .B save set to
your boot
device. Then, you boot from the system disk to continue
the install.
Back then, VMS was dis- tributed on tape. I've no idea how you
access that from SimH. During the boot, VMS will prompt
you to enter
where the distribution media is mounted and then, it will
just do the
rest -- just answer to the questions as they arise.
If I can find the time, I'll get to my storage unit and
pull the V4
(orange
wall) tomes with the installation notes for 11/780 just in case.
As I remember the procedure, it's kindof tricky to see how
you'd do it in simh.
On a real 11/780, you'd boot the standalone backup first.
Not sure, but I think that would have been a bunch of RX01 floppies.
One the standalone backup is running, you can restore the
distribution tape .B saveset to the destination disk, and
after that, things starts getting easier.
However, as simh don't have the FE, nor RX01, how do you
get the standalone backup running?
I wonder if you could use the standalone backup from a
newer VMS to install a really old version. Recent CD
distributions boot the standalone backup, and I suspect you
would able to boot simh into that.
I'm booting VMS 7.3 and running backup from there to image it
to another disk. Does it NEED to be standalone backup?
Not sure what Cory's real problem is though, as he claims
he now restores the .B saveset and still don't get a bootable
system. Did the backup restore the saveset without complaints?
What is the name of the saveset you are restoring, Cory?
Have you atleast read through the installation manual for a
recent VMS? I think the basic procedure is unchanged.
It copies the backup set without issue. Am I perhaps
attaching it to the wrong tape device? (tq)
Johnny
It can be standalone or not. Try:
$backup/image/verify <version-saveset>.b/save <device>:
THAT worked.
What line did you use before? And why didn't you read the manuals?
Anyway. Good that you got somewhere.
Johnny
On 2012-12-24 03:25, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On 23 Dec 2012, at 21:23, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2012-12-24 03:05, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
I might have the wrong tape.
Is there some specific reason for V4.6?
Get a news VMS version -- I can make V6.something or V7.something available
for you -- and then, restore the .B save set to your boot device. Then, you
boot from the system disk to continue the install. Back then, VMS was dis-
tributed on tape. I've no idea how you access that from SimH. During the
boot, VMS will prompt you to enter where the distribution media is mounted
and then, it will just do the rest -- just answer to the questions as they
arise.
If I can find the time, I'll get to my storage unit and pull the V4 (orange
wall) tomes with the installation notes for 11/780 just in case.
As I remember the procedure, it's kindof tricky to see how you'd do it in simh.
On a real 11/780, you'd boot the standalone backup first. Not sure, but I think that would have been a bunch of RX01 floppies.
One the standalone backup is running, you can restore the distribution tape .B saveset to the destination disk, and after that, things starts getting easier.
However, as simh don't have the FE, nor RX01, how do you get the standalone backup running?
I wonder if you could use the standalone backup from a newer VMS to install a really old version. Recent CD distributions boot the standalone backup, and I suspect you would able to boot simh into that.
I'm booting VMS 7.3 and running backup from there to image it to another disk. Does it NEED to be standalone backup?
No, if you have a running system, the backup in there should also work.
But I guess the question remains open if a VMS V7 backup can create a bootable V4 disk. I don't know the answer to that one.
Not sure what Cory's real problem is though, as he claims he now restores the .B saveset and still don't get a bootable system. Did the backup restore the saveset without complaints?
What is the name of the saveset you are restoring, Cory?
Have you atleast read through the installation manual for a recent VMS? I think the basic procedure is unchanged.
It copies the backup set without issue. Am I perhaps attaching it to the wrong tape device? (tq)
That should not matter. What kind of tape you attach the image to shouldn't make a difference, since we're only talking reading the data from the tape anyway. Who cares what controller acted as the agent to transfer the bits.
What was the name of the saveset you restored to disk then?
Johnny
On 23 Dec 2012, at 21:33, "Steve Davidson" <jeep at scshome.net> wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Cory Smelosky
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 21:25
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Cc: Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Older VAXVMS Install kits?
On 23 Dec 2012, at 21:23, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2012-12-24 03:05, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
I might have the wrong tape.
Is there some specific reason for V4.6?
Get a news VMS version -- I can make V6.something or V7.something
available for you -- and then, restore the .B save set to
your boot
device. Then, you boot from the system disk to continue
the install.
Back then, VMS was dis- tributed on tape. I've no idea how you
access that from SimH. During the boot, VMS will prompt
you to enter
where the distribution media is mounted and then, it will
just do the
rest -- just answer to the questions as they arise.
If I can find the time, I'll get to my storage unit and
pull the V4
(orange
wall) tomes with the installation notes for 11/780 just in case.
As I remember the procedure, it's kindof tricky to see how
you'd do it in simh.
On a real 11/780, you'd boot the standalone backup first.
Not sure, but I think that would have been a bunch of RX01 floppies.
One the standalone backup is running, you can restore the
distribution tape .B saveset to the destination disk, and
after that, things starts getting easier.
However, as simh don't have the FE, nor RX01, how do you
get the standalone backup running?
I wonder if you could use the standalone backup from a
newer VMS to install a really old version. Recent CD
distributions boot the standalone backup, and I suspect you
would able to boot simh into that.
I'm booting VMS 7.3 and running backup from there to image it
to another disk. Does it NEED to be standalone backup?
Not sure what Cory's real problem is though, as he claims
he now restores the .B saveset and still don't get a bootable
system. Did the backup restore the saveset without complaints?
What is the name of the saveset you are restoring, Cory?
Have you atleast read through the installation manual for a
recent VMS? I think the basic procedure is unchanged.
It copies the backup set without issue. Am I perhaps
attaching it to the wrong tape device? (tq)
Johnny
It can be standalone or not. Try:
$backup/image/verify <version-saveset>.b/save <device>:
THAT worked.
Shutdown and boot the <device>. You will need the rest of the VMS
savesets (.C, .D, etc) during the installation process.
Booted!
-Steve
