HECnet December 2012

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by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2012-12-29 21:20, Cory Smelosky wrote: On 29 Dec 2012, at 15:17, Joe Ferraro <jferraro at gmail.com <mailto:jferraro at gmail.com>> wrote: Johnny... you are still too low in the stack... JAVA may as well be the new assembly (though I think its more like the COBOL of future IT, in that we'll spend the next 50 years trying to get rid of it). I don't think I've seen a developer "code" anything lower than Ruby or Python in years... I don't think Sunacle will let Java die. ;) In all fairness, he did say "we'll spend the next 50 years trying to get rid of it". I know someone that was trying to make an IRC bot in x86 ASM... I'll probably do one in PDP-11 assembler, just to spite you. :-) Johnny On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote: On 2012-12-29 20:55, Peter Lothberg wrote: But it is fun to see people fail. :-) It is definitely fun to watch people try to break in to VMS. ;) On Sol.Stupi.Se <http://sol.stupi.se/> (59.10) they think it understands X.86 binaries.. I'm sure tehey don't even understand the stackpointer moves UP not down on a DEC20/PDP10. You are giving them way too much credit, Peter. I'm sure most of them would not even know what a stack pointer is... The stack is a magic object that keeps information around in your Java virtual machine... Johnny -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff! http://gimme-sympathy.org/ My permanently-a-work-in-progress pet project.

11 years, 10 months

IP over HF packet, was Re: [HECnet] Area 19

by b4＠gewt.net

On 29 Dec 2012, at 15:58, Saku Set l <setala at gmail.com> wrote: I have one Icom ID-1 (D-Star) sitting idle, it could do 128kbit/s on 1200MHz.. Perfect! Plenty slow to run a WAN VAXcluster! --Saku/OH6PU On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 7:49 AM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: I could maybe work on it a little bit, but I'm pretty buried too. I think we can leverage (at least somewhat) existing equipment to get a head start on this. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA On Nov 2, 2012, at 9:03 PM, "Steve Davidson" <jeep at scshome.net> wrote: From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Joe Ferraro Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 08:38 To: hecnet at update.uu.se Subject: Re: IP over HF packet, was Re: [HECnet] Area 19 If you guys actually try to do DECnet over radio I'd be interested... Bob WU6V As am I. Joe Who has the time to work on this? I buried in day-to-day work. -Steve -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff! http://gimme-sympathy.org/ My permanently-a-work-in-progress pet project.

11 years, 10 months

IP over HF packet, was Re: [HECnet] Area 19

by setala＠gmail.com

I have one Icom ID-1 (D-Star) sitting idle, it could do 128kbit/s on 1200MHz.. --Saku/OH6PU On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 7:49 AM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: I could maybe work on it a little bit, but I'm pretty buried too. I think we can leverage (at least somewhat) existing equipment to get a head start on this. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA On Nov 2, 2012, at 9:03 PM, "Steve Davidson" <jeep at scshome.net> wrote: From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Joe Ferraro Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 08:38 To: hecnet at update.uu.se Subject: Re: IP over HF packet, was Re: [HECnet] Area 19 If you guys actually try to do DECnet over radio I'd be interested... Bob WU6V As am I. Joe Who has the time to work on this? I buried in day-to-day work. -Steve

11 years, 10 months

INFO.TXT, was Re: [HECnet] UPDATE: HECNET.HLP file for VMS systems

by b4＠gewt.net

On 29 Dec 2012, at 15:37, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 12/29/2012 01:59 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: type nikkel::info.txt %TYPE-W-SEARCHFAIL, error searching for NIKKEL::INFO.TXT; -RMS-E-FND, ACP file or directory lookup failed -SYSTEM-F-INVLOGIN, login information invalid at remote node Won't work until there's a default FAL user and an INFO.TXT... So what's supposed to be in this INFO.TXT file that everyone's been talking about lately? I think I may be too much of a newcomer here to know about it. Where should it be, and what should it contain? Actually, thanks for reminding me. This is something someone should write up a page about. I'll happily put a link to that on the hecnet webpage... (Or host it, if needed.) That's the sort of thing that should definitely be in the help system. Agreed. I was also serious about an INFO.TXT generator needing to exist. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff! http://gimme-sympathy.org/ My permanently-a-work-in-progress pet project.

11 years, 10 months

INFO.TXT, was Re: [HECnet] UPDATE: HECNET.HLP file for VMS systems

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 12/29/2012 01:59 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: type nikkel::info.txt %TYPE-W-SEARCHFAIL, error searching for NIKKEL::INFO.TXT; -RMS-E-FND, ACP file or directory lookup failed -SYSTEM-F-INVLOGIN, login information invalid at remote node Won't work until there's a default FAL user and an INFO.TXT... So what's supposed to be in this INFO.TXT file that everyone's been talking about lately? I think I may be too much of a newcomer here to know about it. Where should it be, and what should it contain? Actually, thanks for reminding me. This is something someone should write up a page about. I'll happily put a link to that on the hecnet webpage... (Or host it, if needed.) That's the sort of thing that should definitely be in the help system. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

11 years, 10 months

"Hacking" attempts

by setala＠gmail.com

Sadly over here attacking back is considered a crime, if you get caught of course. Because of my work, I can not do this. On my hobbyvaxen, those script kiddies fill up the logs and sometimes fill up also connections, so I decided to disable ftp and change the ssh port. Pretty quiet nowdays. My VAXen have had open guest-account for a decade, but only couple of logins per year. And nothing bad has happened. --Saku

11 years, 10 months

"Hacking" attempts

by md.benson＠gmail.com

On 29 Dec 2012, at 20:17, Joe Ferraro wrote: I don't think I've seen a developer "code" anything lower than Ruby or Python in years... I consider PHP t be marginally lower than both, but no less of a bastardisation of the concept of coding. I do owe my career to it though ;) -- Mark Benson http://DECtec.info Twitter: @DECtecInfo HECnet: STAR69::MARK Online Resource & Mailing List for DEC Enthusiasts.

11 years, 10 months

"Hacking" attempts

by b4＠gewt.net

On 29 Dec 2012, at 15:17, Joe Ferraro <jferraro at gmail.com> wrote: Johnny... you are still too low in the stack... JAVA may as well be the new assembly (though I think its more like the COBOL of future IT, in that we'll spend the next 50 years trying to get rid of it). I don't think I've seen a developer "code" anything lower than Ruby or Python in years... I don't think Sunacle will let Java die. ;) I know someone that was trying to make an IRC bot in x86 ASM... On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: On 2012-12-29 20:55, Peter Lothberg wrote: But it is fun to see people fail. :-) It is definitely fun to watch people try to break in to VMS. ;) On Sol.Stupi.Se (59.10) they think it understands X.86 binaries.. I'm sure tehey don't even understand the stackpointer moves UP not down on a DEC20/PDP10. You are giving them way too much credit, Peter. I'm sure most of them would not even know what a stack pointer is... The stack is a magic object that keeps information around in your Java virtual machine... Johnny -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff! http://gimme-sympathy.org/ My permanently-a-work-in-progress pet project.

11 years, 10 months

"Hacking" attempts

by jferraro＠gmail.com

Johnny... you are still too low in the stack... JAVA may as well be the new assembly (though I think its more like the COBOL of future IT, in that we'll spend the next 50 years trying to get rid of it). I don't think I've seen a developer "code" anything lower than Ruby or Python in years... On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: On 2012-12-29 20:55, Peter Lothberg wrote: But it is fun to see people fail. :-) It is definitely fun to watch people try to break in to VMS. ;) On Sol.Stupi.Se (59.10) they think it understands X.86 binaries.. I'm sure tehey don't even understand the stackpointer moves UP not down on a DEC20/PDP10. You are giving them way too much credit, Peter. I'm sure most of them would not even know what a stack pointer is... The stack is a magic object that keeps information around in your Java virtual machine... Johnny

11 years, 10 months

"Hacking" attempts

by b4＠gewt.net

On 29 Dec 2012, at 15:15, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: On 2012-12-29 20:55, Peter Lothberg wrote: But it is fun to see people fail. :-) It is definitely fun to watch people try to break in to VMS. ;) On Sol.Stupi.Se (59.10) they think it understands X.86 binaries.. I'm sure tehey don't even understand the stackpointer moves UP not down on a DEC20/PDP10. You are giving them way too much credit, Peter. I'm sure most of them would not even know what a stack pointer is... The stack is a magic object that keeps information around in your Java virtual machine What're you talking about? ;) Most skiddies would use VB.net. ;) Johnny -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff! http://gimme-sympathy.org/ My permanently-a-work-in-progress pet project.

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