On 11/01/2012 11:35 PM, Bob Armstrong wrote:
We'd probably use DDCMP to get it to the async level, right?
Maybe. I know that AX.25 has a protocol ID byte that specifies the packet
type being piggybacked - I'm pretty sure IP is 0xCC. It might be that
someone has already implemented a DECnet payload, but it's a long shot.
I doubt it. We could, though.
We could build our own TNCs that spoke 1200/9600 baud AX.25 on one side
and DDCMP on the other. All it really takes is some firmware... That'd be a
really cool gizmo, and completely useless to anyone except for a couple of
people to boot :-)
I would LOVE to do that. That sounds like great gobs of fun.
Realistically, a smarter thing might be to try WiFi. I think the current
distance record for WiFi is something like 250 miles; how far is between you
and Steve?? Of course, you'll need some pretty tall towers...
I don't know specifically where he is, but I think he's east of me.
There are mountains...that'd be tough.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 11/01/2012 11:40 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
We'd probably use DDCMP to get it to the async level, right?
Maybe. I know that AX.25 has a protocol ID byte that specifies the packet
type being piggybacked - I'm pretty sure IP is 0xCC. It might be that
someone has already implemented a DECnet payload, but it's a long shot.
We could build our own TNCs that spoke 1200/9600 baud AX.25 on one side
and DDCMP on the other. All it really takes is some firmware... That'd be a
really cool gizmo, and completely useless to anyone except for a couple of
people to boot :-)
Realistically, a smarter thing might be to try WiFi. I think the current
distance record for WiFi is something like 250 miles; how far is between you
and Steve?? Of course, you'll need some pretty tall towers
And licenses. ;)
Well, get studyin'!
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On Nov 1, 2012, at 11:35 PM, "Bob Armstrong" <bob at jfcl.com> wrote:
We'd probably use DDCMP to get it to the async level, right?
Maybe. I know that AX.25 has a protocol ID byte that specifies the packet
type being piggybacked - I'm pretty sure IP is 0xCC. It might be that
someone has already implemented a DECnet payload, but it's a long shot.
We could build our own TNCs that spoke 1200/9600 baud AX.25 on one side
and DDCMP on the other. All it really takes is some firmware... That'd be a
really cool gizmo, and completely useless to anyone except for a couple of
people to boot :-)
Realistically, a smarter thing might be to try WiFi. I think the current
distance record for WiFi is something like 250 miles; how far is between you
and Steve?? Of course, you'll need some pretty tall towers
And licenses. ;)
Bob
We'd probably use DDCMP to get it to the async level, right?
Maybe. I know that AX.25 has a protocol ID byte that specifies the packet
type being piggybacked - I'm pretty sure IP is 0xCC. It might be that
someone has already implemented a DECnet payload, but it's a long shot.
We could build our own TNCs that spoke 1200/9600 baud AX.25 on one side
and DDCMP on the other. All it really takes is some firmware... That'd be a
really cool gizmo, and completely useless to anyone except for a couple of
people to boot :-)
Realistically, a smarter thing might be to try WiFi. I think the current
distance record for WiFi is something like 250 miles; how far is between you
and Steve?? Of course, you'll need some pretty tall towers...
Bob
On 11/01/2012 10:55 PM, Bob Armstrong wrote:
I've been out of ham radio since...well, the last time I was
licensed, the Kantronix KPC-2 was a current product. ;)
The KPC-3 is still a current product - HRO sells 'em for about $200.
They're the defacto standard for hardware TNCs these days. However I think
most people do it with a sound card and software (the ham radio equivalent
of a winmodem). And I'm not sure how many people still do packet as such -
modes like psk31, WSPR, JT65, etc are more common these days.
I've learned a bit about some of those modes...VERY interesting stuff. I've done a few PSK31 QSOs (sound card method) and have enjoyed it very much. I'm going through a Yaesu FT-920, on 40m.
For a better time reference, until the past year, the last time I was active in ham radio was the early 1990s. My how things have changed!
I didn't know hardware TNCs were still being made. That's reassuring. Most of the ham radio world, especially the "appliance operators", seems to have little problem with the idea of replacing EVERYTHING with a Windows box. *barf*
I have a pair of AEA PK232MBX TNCs. I might try to bring them up.
We should take this offline. This is not really HECnet related.
If you guys actually try to do DECnet over radio I'd be interested...
I think it'd be interesting to attempt. We'd probably use DDCMP to get it to the async level, right? (this could certainly be HECnet-related!)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
I've been out of ham radio since...well, the last time I was
licensed, the Kantronix KPC-2 was a current product. ;)
The KPC-3 is still a current product - HRO sells 'em for about $200.
They're the defacto standard for hardware TNCs these days. However I think
most people do it with a sound card and software (the ham radio equivalent
of a winmodem). And I'm not sure how many people still do packet as such -
modes like psk31, WSPR, JT65, etc are more common these days.
We should take this offline. This is not really HECnet related.
If you guys actually try to do DECnet over radio I'd be interested...
Bob WU6V
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Subject: OT: IP over HF packet, was Re: [HECnet] Area 19
On 10/31/2012 01:40 PM, Steve Davidson wrote:
I'm actually working on Packet over Radio (HF and VHF) since this
wonderful storm. My cell phone was used as a hotspot while
I waited
for the landline to return. I have my own Ham domain and an IP
address in the 44 block. All I need now is a dedicated VHF (or HF)
rig to make this permanent.
I've been out of ham radio since...well, the last time I
was licensed, the Kantronix KPC-2 was a current product. ;)
Who is handling allocations out of net 44 nowadays?
Want to do some testing, when things calm down? I can do HF or VHF.
(or microwave, given some time...I have a strong interest
there, and lots of gear)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Dave,
We should take this offline. This is not really HECnet related.
-Steve
On Nov 1, 2012, at 4:51 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 11/01/2012 02:08 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
We could also set up a little UUCP and NNTP on UNIX VMs network ;) link them together with simh's serial line emulation and simulate modems...unless we do KERMIT crontabs.
I still like the idea of UUCP / POTS links. IIRC, Sampsa or Steve had something going along these lines a while back. Not sure if it ever got off the ground?!?
I would attempt this if I had modems that weren't just soft modems. Might be able to use them if any of you know of any nice software for use on a BSD with them.
Update: I have 2 modems to try from that I can find
1). A winmodem
2). A Conexant HSF modem
who thinks I can get one of these working in MS-DOS? MS-DOS on a HT P4 with 1G RAM anyone?
I know it's not a UNIX but maybe the driver will show me a serial port I can attach a simulator to?
Toss the Windmodems in the trash...that'd be a good start.
I will, once I get something better.
Then grab any and all Telebit Trailblazer-family modems you can find.
They spoof parts of the UUCP protocol within the modem, which makes for
VERY nice UUCP-based news feeds.
I will use the winmodems until I find those/have the free cash to grab one. ;)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 11/01/2012 02:08 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
We could also set up a little UUCP and NNTP on UNIX VMs network ;) link them together with simh's serial line emulation and simulate modems...unless we do KERMIT crontabs.
I still like the idea of UUCP / POTS links. IIRC, Sampsa or Steve had something going along these lines a while back. Not sure if it ever got off the ground?!?
I would attempt this if I had modems that weren't just soft modems. Might be able to use them if any of you know of any nice software for use on a BSD with them.
Update: I have 2 modems to try from that I can find
1). A winmodem
2). A Conexant HSF modem
who thinks I can get one of these working in MS-DOS? MS-DOS on a HT P4 with 1G RAM anyone?
I know it's not a UNIX but maybe the driver will show me a serial port I can attach a simulator to?
Toss the Windmodems in the trash...that'd be a good start.
Then grab any and all Telebit Trailblazer-family modems you can find.
They spoof parts of the UUCP protocol within the modem, which makes for
VERY nice UUCP-based newsfeeds.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 1 Nov 2012, at 16:34, Fred <fcoffey at misernet.net> wrote:
On Thu, 1 Nov 2012, Dave McGuire wrote:
I have a Usenet feed here. Very nearly a full feed, but no binaries.
I could forward it along if we do something like this.
Count me in as interested. (I am also part of the informal uuhec uucp network already established).
Count me in for UUHecnet as well. Happen to have any dial in-capable systems Fred? I just got my modem working and you're in the same state and it might cut down on long distance. ;)
Fred
