It's astounding
time is fleeting.
Madness takes its toll.
Bob
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From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf
Of hvlems at zonnet.nl
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 12:23 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] info Steve Davidson
Yeah, that sums it up nicely :)
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Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] info Steve Davidson
Verzonden: 10 januari 2012 21:17
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 09:54:52AM -0500, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Hmm, we aren't in daylight savings now? Or is that DST? I can never
freakin' remember. :-D
It's long past time for humans to stop lying to themselves about "what time
it is" and everyone convert to UTC...
it is, after all, "Universal" :-)
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Yeah, that sums it up nicely :)
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Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] info Steve Davidson
Verzonden: 10 januari 2012 21:17
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 09:54:52AM -0500, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Hmm, we aren't in daylight savings now? Or is that DST? I can never
freakin' remember. :-D
It's long past time for humans to stop lying to themselves about
"what time it is" and everyone convert to UTC...
it is, after all, "Universal" :-)
--
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On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 09:54:52AM -0500, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Hmm, we aren't in daylight savings now? Or is that DST? I can never
freakin' remember. :-D
It's long past time for humans to stop lying to themselves about
"what time it is" and everyone convert to UTC...
it is, after all, "Universal" :-)
--
Aloha, IW(TM): Celestial Angela; SL(TM): Celeste Python; Angela Kahealani
"(I'll) Be Seeing You..." All information and transactions are private between
the parties, and are non negotiable. All rights reserve without prejudice by
Angela Kahealani http://www.kahealani.com/kahealani/angela_kahealani.html
Hmm, we aren't in daylight savings now? Or is that DST? I can never freakin' remember. :-D
-brian
On 1/10/2012 9:53 AM, Steve Davidson wrote:
Area 19 is in UTC-5
________________________________
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE on behalf of H Vlems
Sent: Mon 1/9/2012 15:52
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: [HECnet] info Steve Davidson
Steve,
what timezone are you(r systems) in?
Hans
Area 19 is in UTC-5
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From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE on behalf of H Vlems
Sent: Mon 1/9/2012 15:52
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Subject: [HECnet] info Steve Davidson
Steve,
what timezone are you(r systems) in?
Hans
Just remember that there are about 600 timezones. While there are only about 30 different offset values at any one time, the rules by which they change during the year vary randomly all over the map. Timezones are much much messier than a lot of people realize.
paul
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From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Peter Coghlan
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:59 AM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: SV: [HECnet] Hecnet map update
I like the idea of expanding the info.txt .. time zone column
Fine by me. How is time zone expressed? Simply giving a numeric offset
from GMT is problematic for places that observe daylight savings time -
we'd have to update the file twice every year. Can we use something like PST8PDT??
If we want to specify a time zone, the only reasonable way to do it is numerically, specifying both hours and minutes as not all timezones are on hour boundaries. Strings such as PST and PDT are not defined for all timezones, are not unique and many are not well understood at a distance. I am told that EST means two different things in Australia and another in the US for example.
Regards,
Peter Coghlan.
We use it for the location, right.
Sounds like we're only using TZ as an excuse for longitude, and assuming
no HECnet members live in the southern hemisphere. Just use the city and/or
country name, which is already in the INFO.TXT file.
Bob
DST changes aren't even necessary. Unless someone plans to adjust the map periodically.
I agree with Peter: put UTC+delta in INFO.TXT. For the moment that is fine.
No southern hemisphere users in HECnet, right ?
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Verzonden: 10 januari 2012 20:47
I like the idea of expanding the info.txt .. time zone column=20
Fine by me. How is time zone expressed? Simply giving a numeric =
offset from GMT is problematic for places that observe daylight savings =
time - we'd have to update the file twice every year. Can we use =
something like PST8PDT??
Bob
A box of worms:
So there is 1h, 30min and 15min timezones and some +300 local
daylight savings rules.
Suggestion is that you put the current UTC offset in the file, and
have a local batch/cron job that modifies it according to local DST
rules.
For those intertested, http://www.iana.org/time-zones has the
list... -:)
--Peter
I like the idea of expanding the info.txt .. time zone column=20
Fine by me. How is time zone expressed? Simply giving a numeric =
offset from GMT is problematic for places that observe daylight savings =
time - we'd have to update the file twice every year. Can we use =
something like PST8PDT??
Bob
A box of worms:
So there is 1h, 30min and 15min timezones and some +300 local
daylight savings rules.
Suggestion is that you put the current UTC offset in the file, and
have a local batch/cron job that modifies it according to local DST
rules.
For those intertested, http://www.iana.org/time-zones has the
list... -:)
--Peter
