On 15/07/11 23:48, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
Mc ncp def exec type area
Mc ncp set exec state off
@sys$manager:startnet
Provided of course that you have the correct PAK loaded:
dvnetrtg
Net-app-sup-400
Many thanks, the magic runes provided worked, and I can now see the rest of the hecnet world.
Hurrah! Maybe I should end now on a high ;)
Cheers, Mark.
On Alpha the DECnet License including routing is called DVNETEXT and DVNETRTG on VAX.
On 16.7.2011 1:48, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
Mc ncp def exec type area
Mc ncp set exec state off
@sys$manager:startnet
Provided of course that you have the correct PAK loaded:
dvnetrtg
Net-app-sup-400
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-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Wickens<mark at wickensonline.co.uk>
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Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 23:30:49
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The VAX isn't turned on. I can turn it on and try this, but I would expect
the connection to then succeed.
What I'd really like to be able to do is have both Alpha and VAX
configured to act as area routers, so that I can have either switched on
independently, and not have them rely on each other.
There may be an unlikely situation where both are switched on at the same
time, is it an unsupported configuration to have two area routers enabled
at the same time?
I'm presuming setting a box up as an area router requires a sequence of
NCP commands?
Thanks for the help, Mark
On Fri, 15 Jul 2011, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
You always need one area router to connect to nodes outside your area.
With one exception: on a lan with no decnet routers present, nodes can connect irrespective what area tjey're in.
So you need the bridge program AND an area router for yet another decnet node to see all the others.
If your vax is the area router (try mc ncp sho exeec char) does the alpha connect to the vax?
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Onderwerp: [HECnet] Area configuration
Verzonden: 16 juli 2011 00:12
Hi, SteveD is the best person to answer this question, but I'm not sure
whether he's about at the moment.
I'm in my own area, area 4, and I normally run a VAX, BUBBLE which I
believe does area routing.
I'm setting up an Alpha system, but am currently unable to see any other
areas via hecnet. For the most part, either the Alpha or VAX will be
running, but not both.
Do I need to setup the Alpha as an area router also?
Thanks for the help, Mark.
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Mc ncp def exec type area
Mc ncp set exec state off
@sys$manager:startnet
Provided of course that you have the correct PAK loaded:
dvnetrtg
Net-app-sup-400
Verzonden vanaf mijn draadloze BlackBerry -toestel
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk>
Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 23:30:49
To: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SESubject: Re: [HECnet] Area configuration
The VAX isn't turned on. I can turn it on and try this, but I would expect
the connection to then succeed.
What I'd really like to be able to do is have both Alpha and VAX
configured to act as area routers, so that I can have either switched on
independently, and not have them rely on each other.
There may be an unlikely situation where both are switched on at the same
time, is it an unsupported configuration to have two area routers enabled
at the same time?
I'm presuming setting a box up as an area router requires a sequence of
NCP commands?
Thanks for the help, Mark
On Fri, 15 Jul 2011, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
You always need one area router to connect to nodes outside your area.
With one exception: on a lan with no decnet routers present, nodes can connect irrespective what area tjey're in.
So you need the bridge program AND an area router for yet another decnet node to see all the others.
If your vax is the area router (try mc ncp sho exeec char) does the alpha connect to the vax?
------Origineel bericht------
Van: Mark Wickens
Afzender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: [HECnet] Area configuration
Verzonden: 16 juli 2011 00:12
Hi, SteveD is the best person to answer this question, but I'm not sure
whether he's about at the moment.
I'm in my own area, area 4, and I normally run a VAX, BUBBLE which I
believe does area routing.
I'm setting up an Alpha system, but am currently unable to see any other
areas via hecnet. For the most part, either the Alpha or VAX will be
running, but not both.
Do I need to setup the Alpha as an area router also?
Thanks for the help, Mark.
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On 16.7.2011 1:41, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2011-07-16 00.30, Mark Wickens wrote:
The VAX isn't turned on. I can turn it on and try this, but I would
expect the connection to then succeed.
Yes, that probably would make it succeed.
What I'd really like to be able to do is have both Alpha and VAX
configured to act as area routers, so that I can have either switched on
independently, and not have them rely on each other.
So, why not do that.
There may be an unlikely situation where both are switched on at the
same time, is it an unsupported configuration to have two area routers
enabled at the same time?
No. That is perfectly legal. And you don't really need to do anything
special. The machines will figure it out themself. All you need is to
just enable area routing on both.
I'm presuming setting a box up as an area router requires a sequence of
NCP commands?
There is some command, yes. Something like SET EXEC TYPE, or something
like that.
However, the one thing you should be aware of is that DEC never
officially supported Alpha machines as area routers. But I seem to
remember hearing someone saying that it actually worked anyway. But you
need to test, I guess...
There was some versions of DECnet on Alpha, which didn't allow area routing. I don't remember exactly now, but I think it was re-enabled since VMS V7.3 (and thus DECnet IV for AXPVMS V7.3).
Johnny
Thanks for the help, Mark
On Fri, 15 Jul 2011, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
You always need one area router to connect to nodes outside your area.
With one exception: on a lan with no decnet routers present, nodes can
connect irrespective what area tjey're in.
So you need the bridge program AND an area router for yet another
decnet node to see all the others.
If your vax is the area router (try mc ncp sho exeec char) does the
alpha connect to the vax?
------Origineel bericht------
Van: Mark Wickens
Afzender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: [HECnet] Area configuration
Verzonden: 16 juli 2011 00:12
Hi, SteveD is the best person to answer this question, but I'm not sure
whether he's about at the moment.
I'm in my own area, area 4, and I normally run a VAX, BUBBLE which I
believe does area routing.
I'm setting up an Alpha system, but am currently unable to see any other
areas via hecnet. For the most part, either the Alpha or VAX will be
running, but not both.
Do I need to setup the Alpha as an area router also?
Thanks for the help, Mark.
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.
On 2011-07-16 00.30, Mark Wickens wrote:
The VAX isn't turned on. I can turn it on and try this, but I would
expect the connection to then succeed.
Yes, that probably would make it succeed.
What I'd really like to be able to do is have both Alpha and VAX
configured to act as area routers, so that I can have either switched on
independently, and not have them rely on each other.
So, why not do that.
There may be an unlikely situation where both are switched on at the
same time, is it an unsupported configuration to have two area routers
enabled at the same time?
No. That is perfectly legal. And you don't really need to do anything special. The machines will figure it out themself. All you need is to just enable area routing on both.
I'm presuming setting a box up as an area router requires a sequence of
NCP commands?
There is some command, yes. Something like SET EXEC TYPE, or something like that.
However, the one thing you should be aware of is that DEC never officially supported Alpha machines as area routers. But I seem to remember hearing someone saying that it actually worked anyway. But you need to test, I guess...
Johnny
Thanks for the help, Mark
On Fri, 15 Jul 2011, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
You always need one area router to connect to nodes outside your area.
With one exception: on a lan with no decnet routers present, nodes can
connect irrespective what area tjey're in.
So you need the bridge program AND an area router for yet another
decnet node to see all the others.
If your vax is the area router (try mc ncp sho exeec char) does the
alpha connect to the vax?
------Origineel bericht------
Van: Mark Wickens
Afzender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: [HECnet] Area configuration
Verzonden: 16 juli 2011 00:12
Hi, SteveD is the best person to answer this question, but I'm not sure
whether he's about at the moment.
I'm in my own area, area 4, and I normally run a VAX, BUBBLE which I
believe does area routing.
I'm setting up an Alpha system, but am currently unable to see any other
areas via hecnet. For the most part, either the Alpha or VAX will be
running, but not both.
Do I need to setup the Alpha as an area router also?
Thanks for the help, Mark.
Verzonden vanaf mijn draadloze BlackBerry -toestel
The VAX isn't turned on. I can turn it on and try this, but I would expect the connection to then succeed.
What I'd really like to be able to do is have both Alpha and VAX configured to act as area routers, so that I can have either switched on independently, and not have them rely on each other.
There may be an unlikely situation where both are switched on at the same time, is it an unsupported configuration to have two area routers enabled at the same time?
I'm presuming setting a box up as an area router requires a sequence of NCP commands?
Thanks for the help, Mark
On Fri, 15 Jul 2011, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
You always need one area router to connect to nodes outside your area.
With one exception: on a lan with no decnet routers present, nodes can connect irrespective what area tjey're in.
So you need the bridge program AND an area router for yet another decnet node to see all the others.
If your vax is the area router (try mc ncp sho exeec char) does the alpha connect to the vax?
------Origineel bericht------
Van: Mark Wickens
Afzender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: [HECnet] Area configuration
Verzonden: 16 juli 2011 00:12
Hi, SteveD is the best person to answer this question, but I'm not sure
whether he's about at the moment.
I'm in my own area, area 4, and I normally run a VAX, BUBBLE which I
believe does area routing.
I'm setting up an Alpha system, but am currently unable to see any other
areas via hecnet. For the most part, either the Alpha or VAX will be
running, but not both.
Do I need to setup the Alpha as an area router also?
Thanks for the help, Mark.
Verzonden vanaf mijn draadloze BlackBerry -toestel
You always need one area router to connect to nodes outside your area.
With one exception: on a lan with no decnet routers present, nodes can connect irrespective what area tjey're in.
So you need the bridge program AND an area router for yet another decnet node to see all the others.
If your vax is the area router (try mc ncp sho exeec char) does the alpha connect to the vax?
------Origineel bericht------
Van: Mark Wickens
Afzender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: [HECnet] Area configuration
Verzonden: 16 juli 2011 00:12
Hi, SteveD is the best person to answer this question, but I'm not sure
whether he's about at the moment.
I'm in my own area, area 4, and I normally run a VAX, BUBBLE which I
believe does area routing.
I'm setting up an Alpha system, but am currently unable to see any other
areas via hecnet. For the most part, either the Alpha or VAX will be
running, but not both.
Do I need to setup the Alpha as an area router also?
Thanks for the help, Mark.
Verzonden vanaf mijn draadloze BlackBerry -toestel
On 2011-07-16 00.12, Mark Wickens wrote:
Hi, SteveD is the best person to answer this question, but I'm not sure
whether he's about at the moment.
I'm in my own area, area 4, and I normally run a VAX, BUBBLE which I
believe does area routing.
I'm setting up an Alpha system, but am currently unable to see any other
areas via hecnet. For the most part, either the Alpha or VAX will be
running, but not both.
Do I need to setup the Alpha as an area router also?
Thanks for the help, Mark.
Yes.
You need an area router (in your area) to talk to machines in any other area.
Johnny
Hi, SteveD is the best person to answer this question, but I'm not sure whether he's about at the moment.
I'm in my own area, area 4, and I normally run a VAX, BUBBLE which I believe does area routing.
I'm setting up an Alpha system, but am currently unable to see any other areas via hecnet. For the most part, either the Alpha or VAX will be running, but not both.
Do I need to setup the Alpha as an area router also?
Thanks for the help, Mark.
On 15.7.2011 15:02, Mark Wickens wrote:
On 15/07/11 12:44, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
The first DEC system I worked with was a pdp-11/40. It had a CR11, an
LP11, one RK05, an RX01 and a DECtape I unit. It did have MMU but just
32 kB core, which was expanded to 64 KB core. That allowed KED to run
with RT-11 (V3, V4).
I did experiment with RSX-11D but preferred RT-11. The pdp served in a
laboratory, it got an LPS-11 interface later on.
Hans
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OK, so we need someone to code a trigger a the notes server to post to
the email list and write an email gateway that will process emails and
add notes posts. Best of both worlds. Now who will step up to the plate?
Sounds like the kind of crazed idea that Sampsa gets involved in ;)
Mark.
.
I do have everything needed for setting up a Notes server. The gateway thing is something that has to be worked on.
Do everybody want to post messages through emails and not directly (using the CLI interface or the DECwindows interface)?
The nice thing with them are the DECnet connection.
Kari
