Not that many have "come and gone". More are of the "not come yet". Lots of machines have addresses, but have never been online, I think.
However, occasionally, quite a few machines are available.
I guess that Olegs map is rather manual, since a lot more machines are online right now than his map is showing.
Johnny
Mark Wickens wrote:
Oleg Safiullin wrote:
On 29.06.2010 21:50, Bob Armstrong wrote:
is there a list of what areas are already in use
I keep one on and off -
http://www.sparetimegizmos.com/Downloads/DCN%20Node%20List.pdf
although it's not clear that it's completely current. People don't always
send me updates as things change.
Bob
I've just created a `Geo location of HECnet nodes' web page (using `NCP SHOW ACTIVE NODES',
above URL, INFO.TXT's and some of abusive words).
You can see it here: http://pdp-11.org.ru/~form/hecnet/map/
This page uses JavaScript Google Maps API.
It's incomplete, not optimized, but probably it works :)
Please send me any suggestions, updates, corrections, etc...
Cool! I like it. It would be nice to see a complete map of all systems that are still current, even if they are not always connected. I wonder how many have 'come and gone'...
I can update on some machines, here, Oleg...
PONDUS is located in Horgen, close to Zu"rich in Switzerland. It used to be in Stockholm, but no more. Same is true for GNAT.
Other machines I know of:
Area 11 is all in Finland. Might be Helsinki, but I'm not 100% sure.
(Saku can tell...)
MAGICA, ZEKE, KRILLE, SIGGE, TEMPO, PSILO, TINA and PAMINA are all in Uppsala.
ERNIE, JOSSE and BEA are in Stockholm.
I'll let others continue.
Johnny
Oleg Safiullin wrote:
On 29.06.2010 21:50, Bob Armstrong wrote:
is there a list of what areas are already in use
I keep one on and off -
http://www.sparetimegizmos.com/Downloads/DCN%20Node%20List.pdf
although it's not clear that it's completely current. People don't always
send me updates as things change.
Bob
I've just created a `Geo location of HECnet nodes' web page (using `NCP SHOW ACTIVE NODES',
above URL, INFO.TXT's and some of abusive words).
You can see it here: http://pdp-11.org.ru/~form/hecnet/map/
This page uses JavaScript Google Maps API.
It's incomplete, not optimized, but probably it works :)
Please send me any suggestions, updates, corrections, etc...
Oleg Safiullin wrote:
On 29.06.2010 21:50, Bob Armstrong wrote:
is there a list of what areas are already in use
I keep one on and off -
http://www.sparetimegizmos.com/Downloads/DCN%20Node%20List.pdf
although it's not clear that it's completely current. People don't always
send me updates as things change.
Bob
I've just created a `Geo location of HECnet nodes' web page (using `NCP SHOW ACTIVE NODES',
above URL, INFO.TXT's and some of abusive words).
You can see it here: http://pdp-11.org.ru/~form/hecnet/map/
This page uses JavaScript Google Maps API.
It's incomplete, not optimized, but probably it works :)
Please send me any suggestions, updates, corrections, etc...
Cool! I like it. It would be nice to see a complete map of all systems that are still current, even if they are not always connected. I wonder how many have 'come and gone'...
On 29.06.2010 21:50, Bob Armstrong wrote:
is there a list of what areas are already in use
I keep one on and off -
http://www.sparetimegizmos.com/Downloads/DCN%20Node%20List.pdf
although it's not clear that it's completely current. People don't always
send me updates as things change.
Bob
I've just created a `Geo location of HECnet nodes' web page (using `NCP SHOW ACTIVE NODES',
above URL, INFO.TXT's and some of abusive words).
You can see it here: http://pdp-11.org.ru/~form/hecnet/map/
This page uses JavaScript Google Maps API.
It's incomplete, not optimized, but probably it works :)
Please send me any suggestions, updates, corrections, etc...
The layout of areas?
Each area itself can be located anywhere in correspondance to other areas. Traffic within one area is also pretty much free to work any way it see fit. If you have a large area with several routers and different circuits, where you can observe different traffic properties across them, it might pay to set the costs of the different circuits accordingly.
But for most of the time, the internet is just fast enough that you don't have to worry about any tweaking at all.
My main concern with the bridge is that it can/will grow so big being just one segment, that we'll have more broadcast traffic going on than we are comfortable with, along with the fact that DECnet have limits on how many machines and routers are allowed on a single segment.
But we'll probably not have problem with this in a while anyway, so I'm not overly worried.
Johnny
Joe Ferraro wrote:
Currently in the Louisville, KY area.
What makes the most sense regarding the layout of areas (is that even something to consider overall?!?!)? Obviously, right now with the ethernet bridging it seems to make sense... but I'm quite unsure of the failure mode of DECnet.
Just wondering if any planning was necessary / made sense overall.
Take care,
Joe
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Steve Davidson <davidson at declab.net <mailto:davidson at declab.net>> wrote:
Joe,
Where are you (in the states)?
-Steve
Hollis, New Hampshire
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>
> Do we have a geographical view of the net? Not sure it make a lot
of sense
> for me to forward several thousand miles / km, over to Sampsa...
just to
> return to a "local" machine here in the states...
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>
> Thanks (and, apologies if its already been queried),
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> Joe
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return to a &=
> quot;local" machine here in the states... <br>
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Hi, Joe.
Your names have been added in the database. :-)
No, we do not have a geagraphical view of HECnet. I think one was done several years ago, but if that can be found, it is probably very outdated by now.
It would be fun to have a current one, though. Anyone feel like creating it?
It would perhaps make sense to use one as the basis for some connection setups. However, it is more difficult than imagined sometimes, because the geographical locations do not necessarily correspond with network connectivity. HECnet is usually more helped by low latency than high bandwidth, and figuring that out all over the place can be tricky.
Johnny
Joe Ferraro wrote:
Johnny,
At the present, I'm hitching a ride with Sampsa ...
I've taken:
8.501 - WOPR
8.502 - SIOP
Do we have a geographical view of the net? Not sure it make a lot of sense for me to forward several thousand miles / km, over to Sampsa... just to return to a "local" machine here in the states...
Thanks (and, apologies if its already been queried),
Joe
Currently in the Louisville, KY area.
What makes the most sense regarding the layout of areas (is that even something to consider overall?!?!)? Obviously, right now with the ethernet bridging it seems to make sense... but I'm quite unsure of the failure mode of DECnet.
Just wondering if any planning was necessary / made sense overall.
Take care,
Joe
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Steve Davidson <davidson at declab.net> wrote:
Joe,
Where are you (in the states)?
-Steve
Hollis, New Hampshire
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> Johnny,
>
> At the present, I'm hitching a ride with Sampsa ...
>
> I've taken:
>
> 8.501 - WOPR
> 8.502 - SIOP
>
> Do we have a geographical view of the net? Not sure it make a lot of sense
> for me to forward several thousand miles / km, over to Sampsa... just to
> return to a "local" machine here in the states...
>
>
> Thanks (and, apologies if its already been queried),
>
> Joe
>
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> Johnny,<br><br>At the present, I'm hitching a ride with Sampsa ... <br>=
> <br>I've taken: <br><br>8.501 - WOPR<br>8.502 - SIOP<br><br>Do we have =
> a geographical view of the net? Not sure it make a lot of sense for me to f=
> orward several thousand miles / km, over to Sampsa... just to return to a &=
> quot;local" machine here in the states... <br>
> <br><br>Thanks (and, apologies if its already been queried),<br><br>Joe<br>
>
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>
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Steve Davidson <davidson at declab.net> wrote:
Joe,
Where are you (in the states)?
-Steve
Hollis, New Hampshire
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Johnny,
At the present, I'm hitching a ride with Sampsa ...
I've taken:
8.501 - WOPR
8.502 - SIOP
Do we have a geographical view of the net? Not sure it make a lot of sense
for me to forward several thousand miles / km, over to Sampsa... just to
return to a "local" machine here in the states...
Thanks (and, apologies if its already been queried),
Joe
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Johnny,<br><br>At the present, I'm hitching a ride with Sampsa ... <br>=
<br>I've taken: <br><br>8.501 - WOPR<br>8.502 - SIOP<br><br>Do we have =
a geographical view of the net? Not sure it make a lot of sense for me to f=
orward several thousand miles / km, over to Sampsa... just to return to a &=
quot;local" machine here in the states... <br>
<br><br>Thanks (and, apologies if its already been queried),<br><br>Joe<br>
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Hello!
Especially since I happen to know that the majority of the military's
systems for running the deterrent was in fact based on DEC hardware.
For example at one point the silos ran PDP-8s and then PDP-11s locally.
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"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
