On (12:17 18/09/09), Kari Uusim?ki wrote:
Very good point!
I agree.
Unfortunately I have the same situation as G?ran and my hardware is
waiting for a glorious future. But the winter is coming and (running)
computers provide heat. ;-)
I too have hardware in waiting - a growing collection. And if anybody is
able to help I have:
- A VAXstation 2000 in need of an RD53/54 and a KVM cable (mono)
- A VAXstation II/GPX missing the GPX board, TK50, RD53/54 and Ethernet
- A PDP11/53 missing RD53/54 and Ethernet
A lot of wants, I know (and worse still RDs!) :o/
Cheers,
Andrew
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That would work quite well, let me know when it's up.
Sampsa
On 18 Sep 2009, at 14:12, Brian Hechinger wrote:
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:07:21AM +0100, Sampsa Laine wrote:
That could work but like you said needs quite a bit of designing to
work well - I would suggest that for now we maybe set up mirrors like
FTP sites do, i.e. complete copies on more than one host, this way the
bandwidth load is at least shared.
Does anyone have any objection to a private bittorrent tracker? It would
help with the centralized management/searching/etc and if more than one
person has space to keep stuff it helps everyone overall with download
speeds.
Just a thought. :)
-brian
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tell them exactly what you want or you'll end up with a cupboard full of
pop tarts and pancake mix." -- IRC User (http://www.bash.org/?841435)
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:07:21AM +0100, Sampsa Laine wrote:
That could work but like you said needs quite a bit of designing to
work well - I would suggest that for now we maybe set up mirrors like
FTP sites do, i.e. complete copies on more than one host, this way the
bandwidth load is at least shared.
Does anyone have any objection to a private bittorrent tracker? It would
help with the centralized management/searching/etc and if more than one
person has space to keep stuff it helps everyone overall with download
speeds.
Just a thought. :)
-brian
--
"Coding in C is like sending a 3 year old to do groceries. You gotta
tell them exactly what you want or you'll end up with a cupboard full of
pop tarts and pancake mix." -- IRC User (http://www.bash.org/?841435)
It is not very complicated using DECnet. In fact we had a similar software distribution setup at DEC Finland. DECnet is very flexible. :)
Kari
Sampsa Laine wrote:
That could work but like you said needs quite a bit of designing to work well - I would suggest that for now we maybe set up mirrors like FTP sites do, i.e. complete copies on more than one host, this way the bandwidth load is at least shared.
Sampsa
On 18 Sep 2009, at 09:56, G ran hling wrote:
A great idea indeed, but my thoughts start flying immediately...
Wouldn't it be smart to think of some "distributed storage"-set-up, so that several of us could contribute some content and some storage space, that all shuold appear to be one "heritage" of software when in comes to viewing/searching?
I realize that implementing this would require some more design than it does to just put "some files" on one server with a shared volume, but it would also give a much more flexible system that doesn't risk to outgrow some kind one's budget (disk-space, storage-space, power, heat, internet line, ...).
One further advantage is that if I'd store a library of that obscure system/version/... that I'm operating, deeply admiring, and happily sharing, I'd be most likely to keep my personal files up to date, but the copy I sent for someone else to publish last summer, well, I even might forget I ever sent it, so that copy will most likely not get properly updated....
Just my humble thoughts, would you say this could be implemented "decently simple"?
/G ran
PS:I'd happily contribute myself, even though I haven't yet had the time to bring any proper system on-line into the HECnet. I've got some decent HW standing, waiting, in the basement of a house I'm about to move to, whenever renovation comes a bit further and I get some network connected there... Living and working goes before my Hobbyist DECnet, even though I work with DECnet on PDP-11's!
Sampsa Laine wrote:
Guys,
I thought it might be useful to set up a library of VMS media kits (and maybe RSX / RSTS etc as well) - basically images of VMS install CDs, layered products etc, all in one convenient location.
I'm willing to donate some space on RHESUS for this use, say 100 GB?
I've got a copy of the VAX and Alpha software product libraries lying around as well as a couple of versions of VMS for Alpha and VAX as well as IA64 - any contributions would be welcome of course.
Anyone else interested in this?
Sampsa
.
Very good point!
I agree.
Unfortunately I have the same situation as G ran and my hardware is waiting for a glorious future. But the winter is coming and (running) computers provide heat. ;-)
Kari
G ran hling wrote:
A great idea indeed, but my thoughts start flying immediately...
Wouldn't it be smart to think of some "distributed storage"-set-up, so that several of us could contribute some content and some storage space, that all shuold appear to be one "heritage" of software when in comes to viewing/searching?
I realize that implementing this would require some more design than it does to just put "some files" on one server with a shared volume, but it would also give a much more flexible system that doesn't risk to outgrow some kind one's budget (disk-space, storage-space, power, heat, internet line, ...).
One further advantage is that if I'd store a library of that obscure system/version/... that I'm operating, deeply admiring, and happily sharing, I'd be most likely to keep my personal files up to date, but the copy I sent for someone else to publish last summer, well, I even might forget I ever sent it, so that copy will most likely not get properly updated....
Just my humble thoughts, would you say this could be implemented "decently simple"?
/G ran
PS:I'd happily contribute myself, even though I haven't yet had the time to bring any proper system on-line into the HECnet. I've got some decent HW standing, waiting, in the basement of a house I'm about to move to, whenever renovation comes a bit further and I get some network connected there... Living and working goes before my Hobbyist DECnet, even though I work with DECnet on PDP-11's!
Sampsa Laine wrote:
Guys,
I thought it might be useful to set up a library of VMS media kits (and maybe RSX / RSTS etc as well) - basically images of VMS install CDs, layered products etc, all in one convenient location.
I'm willing to donate some space on RHESUS for this use, say 100 GB?
I've got a copy of the VAX and Alpha software product libraries lying around as well as a couple of versions of VMS for Alpha and VAX as well as IA64 - any contributions would be welcome of course.
Anyone else interested in this?
Sampsa
.
That could work but like you said needs quite a bit of designing to work well - I would suggest that for now we maybe set up mirrors like FTP sites do, i.e. complete copies on more than one host, this way the bandwidth load is at least shared.
Sampsa
On 18 Sep 2009, at 09:56, G ran hling wrote:
A great idea indeed, but my thoughts start flying immediately...
Wouldn't it be smart to think of some "distributed storage"-set-up, so that several of us could contribute some content and some storage space, that all shuold appear to be one "heritage" of software when in comes to viewing/searching?
I realize that implementing this would require some more design than it does to just put "some files" on one server with a shared volume, but it would also give a much more flexible system that doesn't risk to outgrow some kind one's budget (disk-space, storage-space, power, heat, internet line, ...).
One further advantage is that if I'd store a library of that obscure system/version/... that I'm operating, deeply admiring, and happily sharing, I'd be most likely to keep my personal files up to date, but the copy I sent for someone else to publish last summer, well, I even might forget I ever sent it, so that copy will most likely not get properly updated....
Just my humble thoughts, would you say this could be implemented "decently simple"?
/G ran
PS:I'd happily contribute myself, even though I haven't yet had the time to bring any proper system on-line into the HECnet. I've got some decent HW standing, waiting, in the basement of a house I'm about to move to, whenever renovation comes a bit further and I get some network connected there... Living and working goes before my Hobbyist DECnet, even though I work with DECnet on PDP-11's!
Sampsa Laine wrote:
Guys,
I thought it might be useful to set up a library of VMS media kits (and maybe RSX / RSTS etc as well) - basically images of VMS install CDs, layered products etc, all in one convenient location.
I'm willing to donate some space on RHESUS for this use, say 100 GB?
I've got a copy of the VAX and Alpha software product libraries lying around as well as a couple of versions of VMS for Alpha and VAX as well as IA64 - any contributions would be welcome of course.
Anyone else interested in this?
Sampsa
A great idea indeed, but my thoughts start flying immediately...
Wouldn't it be smart to think of some "distributed storage"-set-up, so that several of us could contribute some content and some storage space, that all shuold appear to be one "heritage" of software when in comes to viewing/searching?
I realize that implementing this would require some more design than it does to just put "some files" on one server with a shared volume, but it would also give a much more flexible system that doesn't risk to outgrow some kind one's budget (disk-space, storage-space, power, heat, internet line, ...).
One further advantage is that if I'd store a library of that obscure system/version/... that I'm operating, deeply admiring, and happily sharing, I'd be most likely to keep my personal files up to date, but the copy I sent for someone else to publish last summer, well, I even might forget I ever sent it, so that copy will most likely not get properly updated....
Just my humble thoughts, would you say this could be implemented "decently simple"?
/G ran
PS:I'd happily contribute myself, even though I haven't yet had the time to bring any proper system on-line into the HECnet. I've got some decent HW standing, waiting, in the basement of a house I'm about to move to, whenever renovation comes a bit further and I get some network connected there... Living and working goes before my Hobbyist DECnet, even though I work with DECnet on PDP-11's!
Sampsa Laine wrote:
Guys,
I thought it might be useful to set up a library of VMS media kits (and maybe RSX / RSTS etc as well) - basically images of VMS install CDs, layered products etc, all in one convenient location.
I'm willing to donate some space on RHESUS for this use, say 100 GB?
I've got a copy of the VAX and Alpha software product libraries lying around as well as a couple of versions of VMS for Alpha and VAX as well as IA64 - any contributions would be welcome of course.
Anyone else interested in this?
Sampsa
You know, of course, that there can be the same version of a kit on several SPL distros. Therefore you don't have to copy all SPL distros completely. Just the different kits.
Kari
Sampsa Laine wrote:
I've just loaded the Alpha SPL I have here came on 9 CDs, I've loaded these onto RHESUS.
Sampsa
On 17 Sep 2009, at 22:53, Dennis Boone wrote:
I thought it might be useful to set up a library of VMS media kits (and
maybe RSX / RSTS etc as well) - basically images of VMS install CDs,
layered products etc, all in one convenient location.
Seems like a great idea. Looks like VAX SPL CDs run 2-3 GB gzipped,
closer to 6 GB uncompressed. One Alpha SPL looks to be about 4 GB
compressed.
De
.
Not tried it, to be honest, here's the source in C:
Darn, I was hoping you'd know. I don't have an Itanium system.
purdy code is:
(C) Copyright 1991-1994 The Trustees of Indiana University
This is the part that cracks me up. :-)
Zane
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I have also dumped copies of Freeware distros vol 5 - vol 8, but have
not extracted the individual files from these.
I have freeware 7/8 combined (they're mostly non-overlapping software
packages) online on CODA already. It doesn't have public DECnet access, but
I'd be happy to make it so if people want.
BTW, I'm all in favor of the online repository of kits and I don't see a
legal issue with that, at least as far as OpenVMS software covered by the
hobbyist program goes.
Bob
