Johnny... you are still too low in the stack... JAVA may as well be the new assembly (though I think its more like the COBOL of future IT, in that we'll spend the next 50 years trying to get rid of it). I don't think I've seen a developer "code" anything lower than Ruby or Python in years... On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: On 2012-12-29 20:55, Peter Lothberg wrote: But it is fun to see people fail. :-) It is definitely fun to watch people try to break in to VMS. ;) On Sol.Stupi.Se (59.10) they think it understands X.86 binaries.. I'm sure tehey don't even understand the stackpointer moves UP not down on a DEC20/PDP10. You are giving them way too much credit, Peter. I'm sure most of them would not even know what a stack pointer is... The stack is a magic object that keeps information around in your Java virtual machine... Johnny