Don't go looking for a job in that industry...they don't work that way at all. It's all about a degree, a certain physical appearance, short hair, a tie, the ability to kiss ass...getting actual work done is not in the picture. I'm fighting with a bunch of those very stuffed shirts right now, today in fact. The annoyance is fresh. Hmm, maybe in the US, but the guys I worked with who had SC and DV (DV = highest security clearance issued by HM Gov) used to walk around in shorts and sandals. One of our favourite hobbies was trying to shoot down a remote controlled helicopter with an Airsoft AK47 whilst waiting for say an nmap scan to finish. But I got bored on penetration testing after a few years, especially when it all became "Look for holes in this web app", so moved on.. sampsa