On Oct 28, 2012, at 7:11 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 10/28/2012 07:03 PM, Dave McGuire wrote: Yes, I started with RSTS/E ~25 years ago...but this is an extremely simple setup, right off the install tape. For the life of me I cannot figure out why you don't have the stuff installed in sysgen$: Oh wait...when you ran the install, did you select the prebuilt monitor, or to build a monitor at that time? Prebuilt, does choosing prebuilt not define certain logicals/install certain tools? I have never in my life installed a pre-built monitor. I suspect what's going on here is that, when installing the pre-built monitor, the sysgen components (contents of sysgen$:) might not get installed. I will verify this here and get back to you shortly. Yep, that was it. Wow. Re-run your installl and select 'A', to build a monitor at installation time. Then you should see more stuff when you do "dir sysgen$:". (and more importantly "run sysgen$:sysgen" ;)) That is really. really weird. I can't see the reasoning behind not installing the utils if you use a prebuilt monitor. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA