Something that Zane mentioned suggested this question. How are you connecting to HECnet? I'm connecting via a NetBSD 4.0 system with two (2) NIC's. One NIC is connected to the Internet router, the other is managed entirely by Johnny's bridge program. It only sees DECnet traffic through the bridge, no IP at all. It works quite well for what it is. I should mention that the NetBSD system is a Pentium 166 with 32MB of memory. What others see is a VAXstation 4000 Model 60 (AGENA::) running VMS 7.3. It works for me! -Steve