On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 8:14 PM, Clem Cole <clemc at ccc.com> wrote: On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: The GNU project would never borrow userspace code. Careful here -- a lot of the original Gnu code was borrowed. Gnu Emacs was a rewrite Goslings (CMU) Emacs. gdb was based on Mark Linton's pdx/dbx from Berkeley. The Gnu dialector is based on something I wrote at UCB and that Dan Klein would rewrite (we do get credit). Simply, there is a bunch of the Gnu original code that has hazy provenance. Sadly, I have been part of the some the torts associated with some of these. But no one should try to say they are holier than anyone else. That said, my experience is that by the 1990s the Gnu project was better about understanding provenance, but in the 1970s and 1980s, they took what ever they could get. Clem Hello! Clem will correct me, but I do know from reading Clifford Stoll's excellent book "Cuckoo's Egg" that RMS worked on creating software regarding the GNU Project, and mentioned the circumstances behind it there, he specified Emacs as one lurid example because of its popularity and much of the insanity that Clem relates did happen. The early kernel TCP/IP stack contains references to the BSD one, and the Manpages do mention it. However they did fix some of the inherent bugs. Anything else is still Dave's fault. -- ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."