I've been out of ham radio since...well, the last time I was licensed, the Kantronix KPC-2 was a current product. ;) The KPC-3 is still a current product - HRO sells 'em for about $200. They're the defacto standard for hardware TNCs these days. However I think most people do it with a sound card and software (the ham radio equivalent of a winmodem). And I'm not sure how many people still do packet as such - modes like psk31, WSPR, JT65, etc are more common these days. We should take this offline. This is not really HECnet related. If you guys actually try to do DECnet over radio I'd be interested... Bob WU6V