Is working slightly better now. :) I need to update hub.platinum.net's acl to allow the new host and I think Cory does as well. Reloading router: 50.73.179.1 xxxx 199.166.5.172 tunnel-gw.neurotica.com-ipv4.txt running........ successful Reloading router: 208.73.57.126 xxxxxx 199.166.5.172 tunnel-hub.platinum.net-ipv4.txt Error reloading router: hub.platinum.net :: No SNMP response received before timeout Reloading router: 10.42.255.33 xxxxxxxxxx 199.166.5.172 tunnel-bart.4amlunch.net-ipv4.txt running........................................................................................................................................................... successful Reloading router: 75.49.17.245 xxxxxxxxxx 199.166.5.172 tunnel-dev.gimme-sympathy.org-ipv4.txt Error reloading router: dev.gimme-sympathy.org :: No SNMP response received before timeout -brian