On 2013-01-07, at 6:31 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: Yeah more and more of us are using Ciscos to do this. We really need to find a way around this issue that doesn't involve manual maintenance of routing info. Perhaps an agreed-upon entry in INFO.TXT ? That's still manually managed, but it's managed by the individual link owners. I was digging around trying to find out exactly what DEC-type services Cisco supports. One interesting vector is it's apparent support of MOP for allowing remote console. There's this article talking about how bad it is for 'modern' networks: http://blogs.cisco.com/security/router_spring_cleaning_-_no_mop_required/ The "SHOW DECNET NEIGHBOR" and "SHOW DECNET ROUTE" commands are both non-priviledged. Perhaps we could allow a 'trusted' network mapping daemon the ability to get a remote console on the Cisco and execute and parse these commands? Ian