On 2013-06-16 15:11, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2013-06-16 14:58, Steve Davidson wrote: -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Paul_Koning at Dell.com Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 12:51 To: bqt at softjar.se Cc: hecnet at Update.UU.SE; bob at jfcl.com Subject: Re: [HECnet] DECnet default access on RSX... On Jun 15, 2013, at 11:14 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2013-06-15 17:03, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote: On Jun 15, 2013, at 9:19 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote: ... Proxy access is not standardized or documented (at the protocol level). I think it's simply this: the access control fields in the session control protocol are optional. If they are omitted, it's up to the receiving node to decide what to do about it (if the application protocol in question has the notion of access control). In some systems, the answer is "reject". In others, the answer is "use a default account" (RSTS has this). Well, proxy is something that needs to be enabled on both sides for it to work, so it definitely involves passing some information in the packets. So it has to be documented somewhere. Keep searching. I don't think so. RSTS has no notion of proxy, but I distinctly remember having proxies on VMS work when accessed from RSTS with no access control specified. paul I have a proxy from PLUTO::[1,2] to SGC::SYSTEM. The behavior is exactly what Paul says it is. How do you know it is a proxy access, and not the default DECnet account in VMS? Here is one RSX system to another, as illustration: .set /host Host=JOCKE RSX-11M-PLUS V5.0 BL88 .ncp set exec out prox dis .nft mim::info.txt/li NFT -- Error in reading directory MIM::INFO.TXT Access control rejected .ncp set exec out prox ena .nft mim::info.txt/li Directory MIM::DU4:[BQT] 16-JUN-13 15:09:17 INFO.TXT;1 8./35. 08-JUL-10 10:54:52 Total of 8./35. Blocks in 1. Files . Tell you what. Anyone who wants to play with proxy, just try talking to MIM without giving an account. With proxy disabled at your end (or if you lack the capability), you will not be able to talk with MIM, while if you enable proxy at your end, you will. Oh yeah, and to show that you are probably not using proxy information when talking to SGC:: .ncp set exec out prox dis .nft sgc::info.txt/li Directory SGC::SYS$SPECIFIC:[DECNET] 16-JUN-13 15:24:22 INFO.TXT;1 6./9. 30-DEC-11 13:11:22 Total of 6./9. Blocks in 1. Files Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol