On 29 Dec 2012, at 20:17, Joe Ferraro wrote: I don't think I've seen a developer "code" anything lower than Ruby or Python in years... I consider PHP t be marginally lower than both, but no less of a bastardisation of the concept of coding. I do owe my career to it though ;) -- Mark Benson http://DECtec.info Twitter: @DECtecInfo HECnet: STAR69::MARK Online Resource & Mailing List for DEC Enthusiasts.