On 10/10/2013 03:37 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote: Corporate/boring. But more specifically, nonproductive. It's all about keeping the money machine grinding forward. Actually delivering a finished product is the worst thing that happens in that world, because they can no longer bill for it. The contract administrator (typically military, sometimes civilian) comes to inspect the "progress", gives a smile and a wink, drives away in a new BMW, and goes back to his office to fill out the report that "everything is going fine, but there's been a minor cost overrun..." I hate to say it but professional services for a very expensive security product is how I make my money :) It's wrong on so many levels but affords me a great life style.. Hey, more power to you, man! It sounds good to me. And it's very different from how such things typically work in this country. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA