Some of them are downright zippy. I'll have a VAX 7000 and a 4000-700a on HECnet soon! Zoom! Dave: Nice. What's the 4000-700a pull VUP wise? I was *VERY* shocked going from a 4000-m300 "Pele" at 8VUPS to the 4000-m90A at 38VUPS. It's like greased lightening by comparison. Sadly, no VPU though. Al.