Like Tim said, cisco hardware is cheap bit you can use dynamips and run an emulated cisco. Yes, Rob's is the user mode one for Linux/Windows. -brian On Jun 13, 2013, at 6:27, Mark Benson <md.benson at gmail.com> wrote: Multinet flatout refuses to work for me. I've tried repeatedly to Steve and Sapsa's networks and it just falls over after a few minutes. Cisco option presumably involves owning and running a suitable Cisco router? Rob's router is the user level one for Linux, right? Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote: Multinet to Steve, Cisco to the GRE mesh or Rob's router. I believe those are your only three choices at the moment. -brian On Jun 13, 2013, at 2:23, Mark Benson <md.benson at gmail.com> wrote: Due to the limits on our ability to get internet service of any decent speed, we're having to change packages meaning we will lose out fixed IP in November. I'd like to work towards being able to stay on HECnet before then using STAR69 to maintain my connection. I have had a couple of people make suggestions about how to, but it was a while ago and my brain's fogged over since then ;) -- Mark Benson http://DECtec.info Twitter: @DECtecInfo HECnet: STAR69::MARK Online Resource & Mailing List for DEC Enthusiasts. -- Mark Benson