On 10/02/2013 05:25 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote: Ick. I mean, not vi, I use it from time to time...no sense in starting up all of emacs when I need to edit /etc/resolv.conf, for example...but still. If I don't get ACCESS to a system, I won't work on it, period. I know just enough vi to accomplish basic tasks and move around. Sorta like my Arabic actually. Well that's the important part. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA