G, The PAKs I got are downloaded from a static html page - I think they only issued one for the whole FT.. So no privacy issues that I can ascertain but whatever works for you. Sampsa On 2 Feb 2010, at 14:56, gerry77 at mail.com wrote: On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 14:25:18 +0000, you wrote: Sure, I'll ping you later this evening when I'm back home. I forgot to mention that if you do not want to share your PAKs for privacy reasons, I think it wouldn't matter, as long as E8.4 uses the earlier algorithm and has no special tokens. Then we may use our Hobbyist licenses. Thanks again, G.