I can't talk to SG1 from MIM either, and thus nothing beyond it. SG1 appears to be down (at least my connection to it isn't working, either). And SG1 is currently acting as the next hop for a whole bunch of areas, as seen from area 1. Like what? Most of these nodes should have redundant paths (that's good, remember :-) so it sounds like MIM's routing table is stale. Somebody really should make a diagram of the HECnet topology... Bob