Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> writes: My idea is to plug one of these into a Macbook Pro with a USB adapter, = failing that, could I just get a 100+ key USB keyboard, do some tweaking = and relabel the buttons? OK. With the Mac keyboards, you have a reasonable approximation of the LK-style keyboard; at least, as far as the numeric keypad is concerned. You have three keys above the enter like on the LK-keyboards, not that stupidly large [+] key like on all the IBM keyboards. IBM thought that their PC was an adding machine. :) With the Mac keyboard keypad, one can use VMS utilities (editors, debugger, etc.) which have functions defined on the numeric keypad without having to muck about with mapping some other keyboard key -- unnatural for those accustomed to the LK -- for the fused [,] and [-] into the [+} on the IBM style keyboards. If you're looking for the alternate keypad between the QWERTY and the numberic (arrows, [HELP], [Do], etc.) then, you'll want the LK-style keyboard. If you use Linux on your x86 box -- and you should ;) -- a few Xmodmap entries and or Xresources entries will give you pretty much full use of the LK-sytle keyboard. On the Mac, it's been quite a while since I've plugged an LK-style keyboard into one -- I recall that it worked pretty much out-of-the-box. Now, if only the xterms built for Linux and Mac would better support the myriad escape sequences that define a VT. Recently, and I would probably have to patch and edit source and build it myself, I've been wanting DECELR/DECSLE in my xterm. Happily, I can simply issue the $ CREATE/TERMINAL/... command and get a well behaved DECterm that'll do this for me. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.