On 12/25/2012 05:22 PM, sampsa at mac.com wrote: Ah, the problem is that both area 59 and 21 (Peter and Brian) aren't up - so we can't crawl them. Well they don't seem to be up from the point of view of GORVAX and MIM... I can see MIM just fine from here. My appears to be going through Peter (area 59). My tunnel to Brian appears to be up; I can ping 52.1, but none of his other machines appear to be reachable from here right now. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA