Marc Chametzky wrote: I think this may have changed. When I requested my latest hobbyist licenses about a month ago, a license for DVNETRTG was included along with DVNETEND and DVNETEXT. I can confirm this - when I renewed my Hobbyist VMS licenses in May, DVNETRTG was included in the layered products PAKs. I think enough people must have asked about DVNETRTG that somebody actually fixed it. Thanks, to whoever that somebody may be. Bob