sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 26 Sep 2013, at 15:46, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: On 2013-09-26 14:16, Sampsa Laine wrote: While I did have an account on Deathrow, I was not all that familiar with the users thereof. The encourage security research, it attracts a certain type of person that I don't want on my LAN (trust me, I used to be a penetration tester :) ) The problem is that if you want to be paranoid, then you should not be connected to HECnet at all. I'm not THAT paranoid, I actually do give out accounts on CHIMPY (after vetting) and HILANT, but the Deathrow Cluster guys included some pretty dubious "security researchers" that I'd rather keep off my LAN. I don't really care about the DECNET side of it, more the fact that they'd be inside my IP firewall - and putting my DECNET stuff in a separate VLAN is just way too much hassle. sampsa