10 Feb
2016
10 Feb
'16
11:41 p.m.
Johnny,
Does this page pretty well or these two pages speak of how to use linux and VMS for
HECnet. I'm not really wanting to jumo into anything especially concerning VMS. But I
thought I'd inquire.
http://blinkenbone.com/decnet/decnet-on-a-vax
http://blinkenbone.com/decnet/decnet-on-a-vax
Bill
10 Feb
10 Feb
11:51 p.m.
Did a brief look at it looks like it would give you some idea of how to
use DECnet on Linux, yes.
Johnny
On 2016-02-10 23:41, Bill Cunningham wrote:
Johnny,
Does this page pretty well or these two pages speak of how to use linux
and VMS for HECnet. I'm not really wanting to jumo into anything
especially concerning VMS. But I thought I'd inquire.
http://blinkenbone.com/decnet/decnet-on-a-vax
http://blinkenbone.com/decnet/decnet-on-a-vax
Bill
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
11 Feb
11 Feb
12:07 a.m.
Is there software needed for decnet phase iv on linux?
http://blinkenbone.com/decnet/decnet-on-ubuntu-setup
There's a page to convert between MAC and nodes.
----- Original Message -----
From: Johnny Billquist
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: [HECnet] VMS, linux and Hec/DEC net
Did a brief look at it looks like it would give you some idea of how to
use DECnet on Linux, yes.
Johnny
On 2016-02-10 23:41, Bill Cunningham wrote:
Johnny,
Does this page pretty well or these two pages speak of how to use linux
and VMS for HECnet. I'm not really wanting to jumo into anything
especially concerning VMS. But I thought I'd inquire.
http://blinkenbone.com/decnet/decnet-on-a-vax
http://blinkenbone.com/decnet/decnet-on-a-vax
Bill
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
12:09 a.m.
I don't know the status, state, or location of such software. I don't
run DECnet on Linux myself.
Johnny
On 2016-02-11 00:07, Bill Cunningham wrote:
Is there software needed for decnet phase iv on
linux?
http://blinkenbone.com/decnet/decnet-on-ubuntu-setup
There's a page to convert between MAC and nodes.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Johnny Billquist <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
*To:* hecnet at Update.UU.SE <mailto:hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 10, 2016 5:51 PM
*Subject:* Re: [HECnet] VMS, linux and Hec/DEC net
Did a brief look at it looks like it would give you some idea of how to
use DECnet on Linux, yes.
Johnny
On 2016-02-10 23:41, Bill Cunningham wrote:
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Johnny,
Does this page pretty well or these two pages speak of how to use
linux
and VMS for HECnet. I'm not really wanting to
jumo into anything
especially concerning VMS. But I thought I'd inquire.
http://blinkenbone.com/decnet/decnet-on-a-vax
http://blinkenbone.com/decnet/decnet-on-a-vax
Bill
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se> || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
12:44 a.m.
Unfortunately, DECnet for Linux is no longer maintained, as of maybe a
year ago. It still mostly works, but you'd be better off setting up an
earlier release of Linux to run it on. I believe the DECnet stack
itself has stopped working due to kernel interface changes in the past
year or so. LAT, however, still works great.
It'd be wonderful if someone were to pick it up and maintain it. It'd
take some hacking, but not much...it has only been out of sync with the
kernel for maybe a year. I don't have time to do it, but I'd put up a
few bucks for someone to pick it up.
-Dave
On 02/10/2016 06:09 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
I don't know the status, state, or location of
such software. I don't
run DECnet on Linux myself.
Johnny
On 2016-02-11 00:07, Bill Cunningham wrote:
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Is there software needed for decnet phase iv on
linux?
http://blinkenbone.com/decnet/decnet-on-ubuntu-setup
There's a page to convert between MAC and nodes.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Johnny Billquist <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
*To:* hecnet at Update.UU.SE <mailto:hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 10, 2016 5:51 PM
*Subject:* Re: [HECnet] VMS, linux and Hec/DEC net
Did a brief look at it looks like it would give you some idea of
how to
use DECnet on Linux, yes.
Johnny
On 2016-02-10 23:41, Bill Cunningham wrote:
Johnny,
Does this page pretty well or these two pages speak of how to use
linux
and VMS for HECnet. I'm not really wanting to
jumo into anything
especially concerning VMS. But I thought I'd inquire.
http://blinkenbone.com/decnet/decnet-on-a-vax
http://blinkenbone.com/decnet/decnet-on-a-vax
Bill
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se> || Reading murder
books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
3:47 p.m.
On 2016-02-11 00:44, Dave McGuire wrote:
Unfortunately, DECnet for Linux is no longer maintained, as of maybe a
year ago. It still mostly works, but you'd be better off setting up an
earlier release of Linux to run it on. I believe the DECnet stack
itself has stopped working due to kernel interface changes in the past
year or so. LAT, however, still works great.
For some definition of great... Please do not try to use the llogin
program against RSX. The Linux/Unix LAT code is violating the LAT
protocol in some way, and that in turn triggers a memory leak in the RSX
LAT code, so you will not be happy after a while. Sessions get dropped
at random points, and at some point in time, you'll run out of memory in
the LAT process in RSX.
I have not tried to examine exactly what the code is doing wrong, and I
have also not tried finding the bug in the RSX LAT code.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
14 Feb
14 Feb
8:04 p.m.
That sounds more like a bug in RSX that's being tickled by a bug in the
Linux LAT implementation. Something (anything!) coming in over the wire
causing improper functioning of the OS is certainly not the way things
should be.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On February 11, 2016 9:47:48 AM Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2016-02-11 00:44, Dave McGuire wrote:
Unfortunately, DECnet for Linux is no longer maintained, as of maybe a
year ago. It still mostly works, but you'd be better off setting up an
earlier release of Linux to run it on. I believe the DECnet stack
itself has stopped working due to kernel interface changes in the past
year or so. LAT, however, still works great.
For some definition of great... Please do not try to use the llogin
program against RSX. The Linux/Unix LAT code is violating the LAT
protocol in some way, and that in turn triggers a memory leak in the RSX
LAT code, so you will not be happy after a while. Sessions get dropped
at random points, and at some point in time, you'll run out of memory in
the LAT process in RSX.
I have not tried to examine exactly what the code is doing wrong, and I
have also not tried finding the bug in the RSX LAT code.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
8:30 p.m.
On 2016-02-14 20:04, Dave McGuire wrote:
That sounds more like a bug in RSX that's being tickled by a bug in the
Linux LAT implementation. Something (anything!) coming in over the wire
causing improper functioning of the OS is certainly not the way things
should be.
Why are you repeating what I wrote? :-)
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
8:31 p.m.
Hello!
Perhaps both of you are right?
-----
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On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2016-02-14 20:04, Dave McGuire wrote:
That sounds more like a bug in RSX that's being tickled by a bug in the
Linux LAT implementation. Something (anything!) coming in over the wire
causing improper functioning of the OS is certainly not the way things
should be.
Why are you repeating what I wrote? :-)
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
8:42 p.m.
On 2016-02-14 20:31, Gregg Levine wrote:
Hello!
Perhaps both of you are right?
Oh, definitely. There is a bug in RSX.
There is obviously also a bug in the Linux LAT code.
Should I repeat it ten more times? :-)
Johnny
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
> On 2016-02-14 20:04, Dave McGuire wrote:
>>
>>
>> That sounds more like a bug in RSX that's being tickled by a bug in the
>> Linux LAT implementation. Something (anything!) coming in over the wire
>> causing improper functioning of the OS is certainly not the way things
>> should be.
>
>
> Why are you repeating what I wrote? :-)
>
>
> Johnny
>
> --
> Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
> || on a psychedelic trip
> email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
> pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
9 p.m.
No, that wouldn't be necessary. What I'm interested in is Johnny whether you can
identify the error in the LAT packets?
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On 2016-02-14 20:31, Gregg Levine wrote:
Hello!
Perhaps both of you are right?
Oh, definitely. There is a bug in RSX.
There is obviously also a bug in the Linux LAT code.
Should I repeat it ten more times? :-)
Johnny
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
> On 2016-02-14 20:04, Dave McGuire wrote:
>>
>>
>> That sounds more like a bug in RSX that's being tickled by a bug in the
>> Linux LAT implementation. Something (anything!) coming in over the wire
>> causing improper functioning of the OS is certainly not the way things
>> should be.
>
>
> Why are you repeating what I wrote? :-)
>
>
> Johnny
>
> --
> Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
> || on a psychedelic trip
> email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
> pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
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|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
9:23 p.m.
On 2016-02-14 21:00, Hans Vlems wrote:
No, that wouldn't be necessary. What I'm
interested in is Johnny whether you can identify the error in the LAT packets?
Like I said at the start. I have not tried to identify the problem any
further. Using llogin to connect to an RSX system works for a while, but
will disconnect after a while. Exactly when or why is not understood (by
me at least). But it happens. This is some protocol violation of the
Linux implementation. It's like they get out of sync, or some packet not
understood by one side (RSX?) is received.
And when this happens, RSX looses track of a memory buffer, which is an
RSX error. Given some time, and a few llogin sessions, and RSX will run
out of memory in the network pool. And the only way to recover is to reboot.
And none of this happens with DECservers, or any other LAT software that
I have seen.
Johnny
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Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] VMS, linux and Hec/DEC net
On 2016-02-14 20:31, Gregg Levine wrote:
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Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Hello!
Perhaps both of you are right?
Oh, definitely. There is a bug in RSX.
There is obviously also a bug in the Linux LAT code.
Should I repeat it ten more times? :-)
Johnny
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
> On 2016-02-14 20:04, Dave McGuire wrote:
>>
>>
>> That sounds more like a bug in RSX that's being tickled by a bug in the
>> Linux LAT implementation. Something (anything!) coming in over the wire
>> causing improper functioning of the OS is certainly not the way things
>> should be.
>
>
> Why are you repeating what I wrote? :-)
>
>
> Johnny
>
> --
> Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
> || on a psychedelic trip
> email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
> pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
15 Feb
15 Feb
7:19 a.m.
Duh, yes. I'm not quite at 100% lately.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On February 14, 2016 2:30:03 PM Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2016-02-14 20:04, Dave McGuire wrote:
That sounds more like a bug in RSX that's being tickled by a bug in the
Linux LAT implementation. Something (anything!) coming in over the wire
causing improper functioning of the OS is certainly not the way things
should be.
Why are you repeating what I wrote? :-)
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol 
11 Feb
11 Feb
7:59 p.m.
I tried to get DECnet for Linux to work quite some time ago, but I couldn't
work out how to make it work, and in the end I gave up. It was one of the
reasons why I decided to write my own simple one that would run on pretty
much anything. I suppose it might be nice to mess around in a kernel, not
done that before, but I am not ready to say that I would try.
Regards
Rob
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-
hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Dave McGuire
Sent: 10 February 2016 23:44
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] VMS, linux and Hec/DEC net
Unfortunately, DECnet for Linux is no longer maintained, as of maybe a
year
ago. It still mostly works, but you'd be better
off setting up an earlier
release
of Linux to run it on. I believe the DECnet stack
itself has stopped
working
due to kernel interface changes in the past year or
so. LAT, however,
still
works great.
It'd be wonderful if someone were to pick it up and maintain it. It'd
take
some hacking, but not much...it has only been out of
sync with the kernel
for
maybe a year. I don't have time to do it, but
I'd put up a few bucks for
someone to pick it up.
-Dave
On 02/10/2016 06:09 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
> I don't know the status, state, or location of such software. I don't
> run DECnet on Linux myself.
>
> Johnny
>
> On 2016-02-11 00:07, Bill Cunningham wrote:
>> Is there software needed for decnet phase iv on linux?
>> http://blinkenbone.com/decnet/decnet-on-ubuntu-setup
>> There's a page to convert between MAC and nodes.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Johnny Billquist <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
>> *To:* hecnet at Update.UU.SE <mailto:hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 10, 2016 5:51 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [HECnet] VMS, linux and Hec/DEC net
>>
>> Did a brief look at it looks like it would give you some idea of
>> how to
>> use DECnet on Linux, yes.
>>
>> Johnny
>>
>> On 2016-02-10 23:41, Bill Cunningham wrote:
>> > Johnny,
>> > Does this page pretty well or these two pages speak of how to
use
linux
and VMS for HECnet. I'm not really wanting to
jumo into anything
especially concerning VMS. But I thought I'd inquire.
http://blinkenbone.com/decnet/decnet-on-a-vax
http://blinkenbone.com/decnet/decnet-on-a-vax
Bill
--
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|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se> || Reading murder
books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
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