Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk> writes: On 01/10/2013 14:37, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote: Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk> writes: Very interesting! I have played a little with SMG$ as part of Retrochallenge, and looked at the other projects, but as hinted there is a steep learning curve with a lot of the products that is bound to put most off. Are you saying that there is a steep learning curve to SMG$? Not SMG$ so much but it does seem to get steep when you start talking about DECforms and the like. I guess what I'm saying is I've not yet progressed passed SMG$. Well, they are completely different beasts. I prefer the finer granulatiry and programatic control of SMG$. FMS and DECforms provided, more or less, a pre-canned approach to developing terminal based input forms. There much much more available using SMG$. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.