I wouldn't hold out hope for the Hobbyist program lasting much longer than 2016 or at best the 2020 EOL. Ultimately, we don't *need* it we just prefer working legitimately if we can. How many people here have legit RSX-11 licenses and still use it as Hobbyists anyway? Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote: On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 08:54:13AM +0100, Mark Benson wrote: I cant say I'm exactly shocked. HP are 8n serious trouble and are shedding stuff to try and stop sinking. HP came out and did a "keynote" at the yearly company get together thing my last workplace had. It was less of a keynote and more of a plea to not abandon them. It was actually very sad. I wonder when Hobbyist licenses will cease issuing... Never, I hope. :/ -brian -- Mark Benson