22 Dec
2021
22 Dec
'21
6:58 p.m.
I'm trying to build a DECnet/RSX system, and since I've never done anything like
that I figured I'd try M+ as (right?) the easiest option.
Did a sysgen, that seemed to work ok. Found a DECnet kit on Bitsavers, the 4.0 one marked
"3errs", used that to do netgen. That too seemed ok.
Now I'm trying "netins". That fails mid-way and I have no clue why:
@[5,1]netins
* Do you want to install and load the CEX system? [Y/N]: y
* Do you want to install and start DECnet? [Y/N]: n
* On what device are the network tasks [D=DU0:] [S]:
INS XX:[5,54]NTINIT
INS XX:[5,54]NTL
INS XX:[5,54]MLD
INS XX:[5,54]EVC
INS XX:[5,54]NCPRES
; INS XX:[5,54]CFERES
; INS XX:[5,54]VNP
INS XX:[5,54]NMVACP
SET /SYSUIC=[5,54]
ASN XX:=LB:
LOA NM:/HIGH/VEC
CON ONL NM:
ASN =LB:
SET /SYSUIC=[2,54]
INS XX:[5,54]LOO
INS XX:[5,54]LOO/TASK=LOO...
INS XX:[5,54]EVFRES
SET /UIC=[5,54]
NCP SET SYS
12:56:33 Task "NTL..." terminated
Odd address or other trap four
R0=000000
R1=000000
R2=000005
R3=000004
R4=151775
R5=157724
SP=120614
PC=160252
PS=170000
Any ideas?
paul
22 Dec
22 Dec
7:07 p.m.
Hi, Paul. Sorry I didn't answer earlier. Saw some other mails I should
have responded too as well, but been a bit busy.
Anyway. 4.0 is way old and have various issues you do not want or need.
Locate M+ 4.6 instead. That's basically the only version I'd recommend.
And yes, M+ is definitely easier to deal with than 11M.
You can find both tapes at
http://bitsavers.org/bits/DEC/pdp11/magtapes/rsx11mplus/
Basically you want BB-J0830-01.L01_RSX11M+_V4.6_BRU_1999.tap, which
should be bootable, and contain all you need for M+ itself. There is a
second tape (BB-J0830-01.M01_RSX11M+_V4.6_1999.tap), which might be the
second tape if the whole thing came on two tapes. (I got M+ 4.6 on TK50,
which just came on a single cartridge.)
Then you want DECnet, which is decnet11mp46-netkit.tap. The manuals are
online, but of course you can also just ask. And since you seem to have
already managed once, it should hopefully not be too complicated.
After that, you might also want to install TCP/IP, and then you can
experiment on from that...
Johnny
On 2021-12-22 18:58, Paul Koning wrote:
I'm trying to build a DECnet/RSX system, and since
I've never done anything like that I figured I'd try M+ as (right?) the easiest
option.
Did a sysgen, that seemed to work ok. Found a DECnet kit on Bitsavers, the 4.0 one
marked "3errs", used that to do netgen. That too seemed ok.
Now I'm trying "netins". That fails mid-way and I have no clue why:
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
@[5,1]netins
* Do you want to install and load the CEX system? [Y/N]: y
* Do you want to install and start DECnet? [Y/N]: n
* On what device are the network tasks [D=DU0:] [S]:
INS XX:[5,54]NTINIT
INS XX:[5,54]NTL
INS XX:[5,54]MLD
INS XX:[5,54]EVC
INS XX:[5,54]NCPRES
; INS XX:[5,54]CFERES
; INS XX:[5,54]VNP
INS XX:[5,54]NMVACP
SET /SYSUIC=[5,54]
ASN XX:=LB:
LOA NM:/HIGH/VEC
CON ONL NM:
ASN =LB:
SET /SYSUIC=[2,54]
INS XX:[5,54]LOO
INS XX:[5,54]LOO/TASK=LOO...
INS XX:[5,54]EVFRES
SET /UIC=[5,54]
NCP SET SYS
12:56:33 Task "NTL..." terminated
Odd address or other trap four
R0=000000
R1=000000
R2=000005
R3=000004
R4=151775
R5=157724
SP=120614
PC=160252
PS=170000
Any ideas?
paul
7:14 p.m.
On Dec 22, 2021, at 1:07 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt
at softjar.se> wrote:
Hi, Paul. Sorry I didn't answer earlier. Saw some other mails I should have responded
too as well, but been a bit busy.
Anyway. 4.0 is way old and have various issues you do not want or need. Locate M+ 4.6
instead. That's basically the only version I'd recommend.
And yes, M+ is definitely easier to deal with than 11M.
You can find both tapes at http://bitsavers.org/bits/DEC/pdp11/magtapes/rsx11mplus/
Basically you want BB-J0830-01.L01_RSX11M+_V4.6_BRU_1999.tap, which should be bootable,
and contain all you need for M+ itself. There is a second tape
(BB-J0830-01.M01_RSX11M+_V4.6_1999.tap), which might be the second tape if the whole thing
came on two tapes. (I got M+ 4.6 on TK50, which just came on a single cartridge.)
Then you want DECnet, which is decnet11mp46-netkit.tap. The manuals are online, but of
course you can also just ask. And since you seem to have already managed once, it should
hopefully not be too complicated.
I used the DECnet 4.0 kit because I could not make sense out of that 4.6 kit. The
installation procedure in the manual (DECnet/RSX 4.5, which says it's for M+ 4.3)
doesn't work at all with that tape. It says to use FLX to copy PREGEN.CMD from the
tape, but the tape isn't anything FLX understands. Instead, it seems to be an ANSI
labeled tape with 3 files on it, the first one named "INSTALL". Is that a BRU
tape? Or a DSC tape? What do I do with it?
paul
7:28 p.m.
On 2021-12-22 19:14, Paul Koning wrote:
oh... Weird. So it must not be an original distribution tape then.
Maybe someone created a BRU tape after running PREGEN? Check you you
mount that tape /FOREIGN and see with BRU ("BRU /REW/DIR MU:") if you
can read the thing. Might be that you just restore that tape then, and
then run the NETGEN on it.
Otherwise it's a bit annoying, but I could create a copy of the official
distribution tape.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On Dec 22, 2021, at 1:07 PM, Johnny Billquist
<bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
Hi, Paul. Sorry I didn't answer earlier. Saw some other mails I should have responded
too as well, but been a bit busy.
Anyway. 4.0 is way old and have various issues you do not want or need. Locate M+ 4.6
instead. That's basically the only version I'd recommend.
And yes, M+ is definitely easier to deal with than 11M.
You can find both tapes at http://bitsavers.org/bits/DEC/pdp11/magtapes/rsx11mplus/
Basically you want BB-J0830-01.L01_RSX11M+_V4.6_BRU_1999.tap, which should be bootable,
and contain all you need for M+ itself. There is a second tape
(BB-J0830-01.M01_RSX11M+_V4.6_1999.tap), which might be the second tape if the whole thing
came on two tapes. (I got M+ 4.6 on TK50, which just came on a single cartridge.)
Then you want DECnet, which is decnet11mp46-netkit.tap. The manuals are online, but of
course you can also just ask. And since you seem to have already managed once, it should
hopefully not be too complicated.
I used the DECnet 4.0 kit because I could not make sense out of that 4.6 kit. The
installation procedure in the manual (DECnet/RSX 4.5, which says it's for M+ 4.3)
doesn't work at all with that tape. It says to use FLX to copy PREGEN.CMD from the
tape, but the tape isn't anything FLX understands. Instead, it seems to be an ANSI
labeled tape with 3 files on it, the first one named "INSTALL". Is that a BRU
tape? Or a DSC tape? What do I do with it?
7:42 p.m.
On Dec 22, 2021, at 1:28 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt
at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2021-12-22 19:14, Paul Koning wrote:
oh... Weird. So it must not be an original distribution tape then.
Maybe someone created a BRU tape after running PREGEN? Check you you mount that tape
/FOREIGN and see with BRU ("BRU /REW/DIR MU:") if you can read the thing. Might
be that you just restore that tape then, and then run the NETGEN on it.
BRU isn't included by the default install for some reason, but I could restore using
the standalone BRU and now I got the kit pieces copied. Trying netgen again...
paul
On Dec
22, 2021, at 1:07 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
Hi, Paul. Sorry I didn't answer earlier. Saw some other mails I should have responded
too as well, but been a bit busy.
Anyway. 4.0 is way old and have various issues you do not want or need. Locate M+ 4.6
instead. That's basically the only version I'd recommend.
And yes, M+ is definitely easier to deal with than 11M.
You can find both tapes at http://bitsavers.org/bits/DEC/pdp11/magtapes/rsx11mplus/
Basically you want BB-J0830-01.L01_RSX11M+_V4.6_BRU_1999.tap, which should be bootable,
and contain all you need for M+ itself. There is a second tape
(BB-J0830-01.M01_RSX11M+_V4.6_1999.tap), which might be the second tape if the whole thing
came on two tapes. (I got M+ 4.6 on TK50, which just came on a single cartridge.)
Then you want DECnet, which is decnet11mp46-netkit.tap. The manuals are online, but of
course you can also just ask. And since you seem to have already managed once, it should
hopefully not be too complicated.
I used the DECnet 4.0 kit because I could not
make sense out of that 4.6 kit. The installation procedure in the manual (DECnet/RSX 4.5,
which says it's for M+ 4.3) doesn't work at all with that tape. It says to use
FLX to copy PREGEN.CMD from the tape, but the tape isn't anything FLX understands.
Instead, it seems to be an ANSI labeled tape with 3 files on it, the first one named
"INSTALL". Is that a BRU tape? Or a DSC tape? What do I do with it?
8:43 p.m.
On 2021-12-22 19:42, Paul Koning wrote:
BRU is always in the system, but it's probably not installed.
Solved by
"RUN $BRU"
or
"INS $BRU"
after which the BRU "command" works.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On Dec 22, 2021, at 1:28 PM, Johnny Billquist
<bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2021-12-22 19:14, Paul Koning wrote:
oh... Weird. So it must not be an original distribution tape then.
Maybe someone created a BRU tape after running PREGEN? Check you you mount that tape
/FOREIGN and see with BRU ("BRU /REW/DIR MU:") if you can read the thing. Might
be that you just restore that tape then, and then run the NETGEN on it.
BRU isn't included by the default install for some reason, but I could restore using
the standalone BRU and now I got the kit pieces copied. Trying netgen again... On Dec
22, 2021, at 1:07 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
Hi, Paul. Sorry I didn't answer earlier. Saw some other mails I should have responded
too as well, but been a bit busy.
Anyway. 4.0 is way old and have various issues you do not want or need. Locate M+ 4.6
instead. That's basically the only version I'd recommend.
And yes, M+ is definitely easier to deal with than 11M.
You can find both tapes at http://bitsavers.org/bits/DEC/pdp11/magtapes/rsx11mplus/
Basically you want BB-J0830-01.L01_RSX11M+_V4.6_BRU_1999.tap, which should be bootable,
and contain all you need for M+ itself. There is a second tape
(BB-J0830-01.M01_RSX11M+_V4.6_1999.tap), which might be the second tape if the whole thing
came on two tapes. (I got M+ 4.6 on TK50, which just came on a single cartridge.)
Then you want DECnet, which is decnet11mp46-netkit.tap. The manuals are online, but of
course you can also just ask. And since you seem to have already managed once, it should
hopefully not be too complicated.
I used the DECnet 4.0 kit because I could not
make sense out of that 4.6 kit. The installation procedure in the manual (DECnet/RSX 4.5,
which says it's for M+ 4.3) doesn't work at all with that tape. It says to use
FLX to copy PREGEN.CMD from the tape, but the tape isn't anything FLX understands.
Instead, it seems to be an ANSI labeled tape with 3 files on it, the first one named
"INSTALL". Is that a BRU tape? Or a DSC tape? What do I do with it? 
7:35 p.m.
Paul,
You could also download ftp://ftp.trailing-edge.com/pub//rsx_dists/rsx11mpbl87.dsk.bz2
which is
a baseline RSX11M+ V4.6 disk image ready for a SYSGEN from [200,200] It also has DECnet
V4.6 already in [137,10] for a NETgen. This DECnet distribution only generates endnotes
however and you may want to get an
area routing DECnet distribution from MIM.
Also a RSX11M+ V4.6 with DECnet (for Unibus systems) and a very old version of Johnny?s
BQTCP/IP is available at:
http://www.rsx11m.com/PiDP11_DU0.zip
It has area routing DECnet running but you would really need to update the TCP/IP but
you can FTP
that from Mim.update.uu.se and get Johnny?s latest version.
Best,
Mark
On Dec 22, 2021, at 12:14 PM, Paul Koning
<paulkoning at comcast.net> wrote:
On Dec 22, 2021, at 1:07 PM, Johnny Billquist
<bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
Hi, Paul. Sorry I didn't answer earlier. Saw some other mails I should have responded
too as well, but been a bit busy.
Anyway. 4.0 is way old and have various issues you do not want or need. Locate M+ 4.6
instead. That's basically the only version I'd recommend.
And yes, M+ is definitely easier to deal with than 11M.
You can find both tapes at http://bitsavers.org/bits/DEC/pdp11/magtapes/rsx11mplus/
Basically you want BB-J0830-01.L01_RSX11M+_V4.6_BRU_1999.tap, which should be bootable,
and contain all you need for M+ itself. There is a second tape
(BB-J0830-01.M01_RSX11M+_V4.6_1999.tap), which might be the second tape if the whole thing
came on two tapes. (I got M+ 4.6 on TK50, which just came on a single cartridge.)
Then you want DECnet, which is decnet11mp46-netkit.tap. The manuals are online, but of
course you can also just ask. And since you seem to have already managed once, it should
hopefully not be too complicated.
I used the DECnet 4.0 kit because I could not make sense out of that 4.6 kit. The
installation procedure in the manual (DECnet/RSX 4.5, which says it's for M+ 4.3)
doesn't work at all with that tape. It says to use FLX to copy PREGEN.CMD from the
tape, but the tape isn't anything FLX understands. Instead, it seems to be an ANSI
labeled tape with 3 files on it, the first one named "INSTALL". Is that a BRU
tape? Or a DSC tape? What do I do with it?
paul 
9:50 p.m.
Sorry - Mark already responded.
There is interesting history behind "FRODO" too ...
On 12/22/21 1:35 PM, Mark Matlock wrote:
Paul,
You could also downloadftp://ftp.trailing-edge.com/pub//rsx_dists/rsx11mpbl87.dsk.bz2
which is
a baseline RSX11M+ V4.6 disk image ready for a SYSGEN from [200,200] It also has DECnet
V4.6 already in [137,10] for a NETgen. This DECnet distribution only generates endnotes
however and you may want to get an
area routing DECnet distribution from MIM.
Also a RSX11M+ V4.6 with DECnet (for Unibus systems) and a very old version of
Johnny?s BQTCP/IP is available at:
http://www.rsx11m.com/PiDP11_DU0.zip
It has area routing DECnet running but you would really need to update the TCP/IP but
you can FTP
that from Mim.update.uu.se and get Johnny?s latest version.
Best,
Mark
> On Dec 22, 2021, at 12:14 PM, Paul Koning<paulkoning at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>> On Dec 22, 2021, at 1:07 PM, Johnny Billquist<bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
>>
>> Hi, Paul. Sorry I didn't answer earlier. Saw some other mails I should have
responded too as well, but been a bit busy.
>>
>> Anyway. 4.0 is way old and have various issues you do not want or need. Locate M+
4.6 instead. That's basically the only version I'd recommend.
>> And yes, M+ is definitely easier to deal with than 11M.
>>
>> You can find both tapes
athttp://bitsavers.org/bits/DEC/pdp11/magtapes/rsx11mplus/
>>
>> Basically you want BB-J0830-01.L01_RSX11M+_V4.6_BRU_1999.tap, which should be
bootable, and contain all you need for M+ itself. There is a second tape
(BB-J0830-01.M01_RSX11M+_V4.6_1999.tap), which might be the second tape if the whole thing
came on two tapes. (I got M+ 4.6 on TK50, which just came on a single cartridge.)
>>
>> Then you want DECnet, which is decnet11mp46-netkit.tap. The manuals are online,
but of course you can also just ask. And since you seem to have already managed once, it
should hopefully not be too complicated.
> I used the DECnet 4.0 kit because I could not make sense out of that 4.6 kit. The
installation procedure in the manual (DECnet/RSX 4.5, which says it's for M+ 4.3)
doesn't work at all with that tape. It says to use FLX to copy PREGEN.CMD from the
tape, but the tape isn't anything FLX understands. Instead, it seems to be an ANSI
labeled tape with 3 files on it, the first one named "INSTALL". Is that a BRU
tape? Or a DSC tape? What do I do with it?
>
> paul
--
8:03 p.m.
On Dec 22, 2021, at 1:14 PM, Paul Koning
<paulkoning at comcast.net> wrote:
I found that I had messed up my sysgen final steps and not done a sav/wb on the new
system, so it kept booting into the baseline exec. That doesn't want to run
DECnet....
When I boot the right exec I get a running system, except for an apparent vector conflict
I need to examine.
paul
On Dec 22, 2021, at 1:07 PM, Johnny Billquist
<bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
Hi, Paul. Sorry I didn't answer earlier. Saw some other mails I should have responded
too as well, but been a bit busy.
Anyway. 4.0 is way old and have various issues you do not want or need. Locate M+ 4.6
instead. That's basically the only version I'd recommend.
And yes, M+ is definitely easier to deal with than 11M.
You can find both tapes at http://bitsavers.org/bits/DEC/pdp11/magtapes/rsx11mplus/
Basically you want BB-J0830-01.L01_RSX11M+_V4.6_BRU_1999.tap, which should be bootable,
and contain all you need for M+ itself. There is a second tape
(BB-J0830-01.M01_RSX11M+_V4.6_1999.tap), which might be the second tape if the whole thing
came on two tapes. (I got M+ 4.6 on TK50, which just came on a single cartridge.)
Then you want DECnet, which is decnet11mp46-netkit.tap. The manuals are online, but of
course you can also just ask. And since you seem to have already managed once, it should
hopefully not be too complicated.
I used the DECnet 4.0 kit because I could not make sense out of that 4.6 kit. The
installation procedure in the manual (DECnet/RSX 4.5, which says it's for M+ 4.3)
doesn't work at all with that tape. It says to use FLX to copy PREGEN.CMD from the
tape, but the tape isn't anything FLX understands. Instead, it seems to be an ANSI
labeled tape with 3 files on it, the first one named "INSTALL". Is that a BRU
tape? Or a DSC tape? What do I do with it?
8:42 p.m.
More...
I unpacked that decnet46 tape image with BRU, and did netgen with that. I get an endnode,
I missed the fact it didn't ask me if I wanted something else. So how would I get a
router instead?
I supplied the addresses and vectors to match what SIMH has, but at network startup I get
a complaint about the DMC-0 vector:
NCP SET SYS
NTL -- DMC Template -- Vector 320 Not
Available
.INT1 $$DMC
NTL -- DMC Template -- Vector 324 Not Available
.INT2 $$DMC
NTINIT -- Failed To Load Line DMC-0
ASN =XX:
NCP SET EXE STA ON
As far as I can tell nothing else uses that vector. It's happy with DMC-1 (vector
330).
Also, I can't get CFE to set my nearby node names:
CFE>def nod 41.1 name python
CFE -- Name Node Server QIO failed, Function=IO.WND, I/O Status=205
Does it matter that I specified that name during netgen? But I also gave it MIM and
that's defined just fine.
paul
8:48 p.m.
On 2021-12-22 20:42, Paul Koning wrote:
More...
I unpacked that decnet46 tape image with BRU, and did netgen with that. I get an
endnode, I missed the fact it didn't ask me if I wanted something else. So how would
I get a router instead?
Sounds like you are faced with an endnode kit. Then you don't have a choice.
Download the full DECnet kit from MIM, and make a new installation with
that. Now that you've come this far, that is fairly easy to do, since
the tape image exists at MIM::
I supplied the addresses and vectors to match what
SIMH has, but at network startup I get a complaint about the DMC-0 vector:
Something must be using vector 320.
Try "CON DIS FULL ATT" and spot what might be using it.
NCP SET SYS
NTL -- DMC Template -- Vector
320 Not Available
.INT1 $$DMC
NTL -- DMC Template -- Vector 324 Not Available
.INT2 $$DMC
NTINIT -- Failed To Load Line DMC-0
ASN =XX:
NCP SET EXE STA ON
As far as I can tell nothing else uses that vector. It's happy with DMC-1 (vector
330). Also, I can't get CFE to set my nearby node
names:
CFE>def nod 41.1 name python
CFE -- Name Node Server QIO failed, Function=IO.WND, I/O Status=205
Does it matter that I specified that name during netgen? But I also gave it MIM and
that's defined just fine.
I wonder if it might be that the node name server isn't running. But I
don't understand why MIM would be possible to define in that case.
Do you perhaps already have a PYTHON defined with some other number?
Also, if you have DECnet up and running, check for [5,54]NNCFSL.TSK,
which is a task you can use to copy all the node names from another node
(like MIM).
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
9:35 p.m.
Life is easy. Just grab the FRODO distribution :)
http://www.rsx11m.com/
The links "Download PiDP-11 DU0 RSX11M+ V4.6 w/ BQ TCP/IP" and "Download
PiDP-11 DU1 containg RSX Sig Tapes".
I am trying to document what I did to get a dual-adapter 11/93 from the
same base install here (WIP):
https://supratim-sanyal.blogspot.com/2021/12/simh-simulating-pdp-11-with-tw…
On 12/22/21 2:48 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2021-12-22 20:42, Paul Koning wrote:
--
More...
I unpacked that decnet46 tape image with BRU, and did netgen with
that.? I get an endnode, I missed the fact it didn't ask me if I
wanted something else.? So how would I get a router instead?
Sounds like you are faced with an endnode kit. Then you don't have a
choice.
Download the full DECnet kit from MIM, and make a new installation
with that. Now that you've come this far, that is fairly easy to do,
since the tape image exists at MIM::
I supplied the addresses and vectors to match
what SIMH has, but at
network startup I get a complaint about the DMC-0 vector:
Something must be using vector 320.
Try "CON DIS FULL ATT" and spot what might be using it.
NCP SET SYS
NTL -- DMC Template -- Vector
320 Not Available
????.INT1??? $$DMC
NTL -- DMC Template -- Vector 324 Not Available
????.INT2??? $$DMC
NTINIT -- Failed To Load Line DMC-0
ASN =XX:
NCP SET EXE STA ON
As far as I can tell nothing else uses that vector.? It's happy with
DMC-1 (vector 330). Also, I can't get CFE to set my nearby node
names:
CFE>def nod 41.1 name python
CFE -- Name Node Server QIO failed, Function=IO.WND, I/O Status=205
Does it matter that I specified that name during netgen?? But I also
gave it MIM and that's defined just fine.
I wonder if it might be that the node name server isn't running. But I
don't understand why MIM would be possible to define in that case.
Do you perhaps already have a PYTHON defined with some other number?
Also, if you have DECnet up and running, check for [5,54]NNCFSL.TSK,
which is a task you can use to copy all the node names from another
node (like MIM).
? Johnny
10:06 p.m.
On Dec 22, 2021, at 2:48 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt
at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2021-12-22 20:42, Paul Koning wrote:
Where is that kit?
More...
I unpacked that decnet46 tape image with BRU, and did netgen with that. I get an
endnode, I missed the fact it didn't ask me if I wanted something else. So how would
I get a router instead?
Sounds like you are faced with an endnode kit. Then you don't have a choice.
Download the full DECnet kit from MIM, and make a new installation with that. Now that
you've come this far, that is fairly easy to do, since the tape image exists at MIM::
I supplied the
addresses and vectors to match what SIMH has, but at network startup I get a complaint
about the DMC-0 vector:
Something must be using vector 320.
Try "CON DIS FULL ATT" and spot what might be using it. NCP SET SYS
NTL -- DMC Template -- Vector
320 Not Available
.INT1 $$DMC
NTL -- DMC Template -- Vector 324 Not Available
.INT2 $$DMC
NTINIT -- Failed To Load Line DMC-0
ASN =XX:
NCP SET EXE STA ON
As far as I can tell nothing else uses that vector. It's
happy with DMC-1 (vector 330). Also, I
can't get CFE to set my nearby node names:
CFE>def nod 41.1 name python
CFE -- Name Node Server QIO failed, Function=IO.WND, I/O Status=205
Does it matter that I specified that name during netgen? But I also gave it MIM and
that's defined just fine.
I wonder if it might be that the node name server isn't running. But I don't
understand why MIM would be possible to define in that case.
Do you perhaps already have a PYTHON defined with some other number? Also, if you have DECnet up and running, check for
[5,54]NNCFSL.TSK, which is a task you can use to copy all the node names from another node
(like MIM).
It's called NNCRES in my system, I guess that's a different library flavor.
paul
10:13 p.m.
On 2021-12-22 22:06, Paul Koning wrote:
MIM::KITS:
The DHU, I got the vector wrong apparently. How do I fix that? Sysgen?
CON SET DHA VECTOR=xxx
(see CON HELP)
if you want it permanent, you do it in VMR on the system image.
No, it's not currently defined at all.
Weird. I would have to be on the machine to tell what that might be.
You could check that the nodename server is running at least:
TAL NT.NNS
(should look something like this:
.tal nt.nns
NT.NNS 032460 GEN 032144 02627700-02762500 Pri - 200. Dpri - 200.
Status: WFR PRV ROV DFB XHR
TI - CO0: IOC - 0. BIO - 0. Eflg - 000003 040000 PS - 170000
PC - 013122 Regs 0-6 002054 004346 005340 000000 005340 000074 001214
)
If status contains -EXE then it's not running.
Yes. The FSL version uses supervisor mode libraries. Either should work
just fine.
Johnny
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|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On Dec 22, 2021, at 2:48 PM, Johnny Billquist
<bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2021-12-22 20:42, Paul Koning wrote:
Where is that kit? More...
I unpacked that decnet46 tape image with BRU, and did netgen with that. I get an
endnode, I missed the fact it didn't ask me if I wanted something else. So how would
I get a router instead?
Sounds like you are faced with an endnode kit. Then you don't have a choice.
Download the full DECnet kit from MIM, and make a new installation with that. Now that
you've come this far, that is fairly easy to do, since the tape image exists at MIM::
I supplied the addresses and vectors to match what
SIMH has, but at network startup I get a complaint about the DMC-0 vector:
Something must be using vector 320.
Try "CON DIS FULL ATT" and spot what might be using it. NCP SET SYS
NTL -- DMC Template -- Vector
320 Not Available
.INT1 $$DMC
NTL -- DMC Template -- Vector 324 Not Available
.INT2 $$DMC
NTINIT -- Failed To Load Line DMC-0
ASN =XX:
NCP SET EXE STA ON
As far as I can tell nothing else uses that vector. It's
happy with DMC-1 (vector 330). Also, I can't get CFE to set my nearby node
names:
CFE>def nod 41.1 name python
CFE -- Name Node Server QIO failed, Function=IO.WND, I/O Status=205
Does it matter that I specified that name during netgen? But I also gave it MIM and
that's defined just fine.
I wonder if it might be that the node name server isn't running. But I don't
understand why MIM would be possible to define in that case.
Do you perhaps already have a PYTHON defined with some other number? Also, if you
have DECnet up and running, check for [5,54]NNCFSL.TSK, which is a task you can use to
copy all the node names from another node (like MIM).
It's called NNCRES in my system, I guess that's a different library flavor.
11:09 p.m.
On Dec 22, 2021, at 4:13 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt
at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2021-12-22 22:06, Paul Koning wrote:
MIM::KITS:
Found it. The readme file says it's a "virtual tape file that can only be used
under RSX" -- how do I use it?
paul
On Dec
22, 2021, at 2:48 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2021-12-22 20:42, Paul Koning wrote:
Where is that kit? More...
I unpacked that decnet46 tape image with BRU, and did netgen with that. I get an
endnode, I missed the fact it didn't ask me if I wanted something else. So how would
I get a router instead?
Sounds like you are faced with an endnode kit. Then you don't have a choice.
Download the full DECnet kit from MIM, and make a new installation with that. Now that
you've come this far, that is fairly easy to do, since the tape image exists at MIM::
11:12 p.m.
On 2021-12-22 23:09, Paul Koning wrote:
Copy the file over to your RSX system. Then you use the RSX virtual
device system.
VCP CON <file>/TAP
will give you a device name back, and then you mount and play around as
usual.
VCP DISCONNECT dev:
will then drop it again.
However, be aware that DECnet file transfers might mangle some file
attributes, in case you will need to add /ATT:TU81 or whatever to tell
VCP that this thing should have the attributes of that device type.
Add /SAVE to restore this back to the file attributes.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On Dec 22, 2021, at 4:13 PM, Johnny Billquist
<bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2021-12-22 22:06, Paul Koning wrote:
MIM::KITS:
Found it. The readme file says it's a "virtual tape file that can only be used
under RSX" -- how do I use it? On Dec
22, 2021, at 2:48 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2021-12-22 20:42, Paul Koning wrote:
> More...
> I unpacked that decnet46 tape image with BRU, and did netgen with that. I get an
endnode, I missed the fact it didn't ask me if I wanted something else. So how would
I get a router instead?
Sounds like you are faced with an endnode kit. Then you don't have a choice.
Download the full DECnet kit from MIM, and make a new installation with that. Now that
you've come this far, that is fairly easy to do, since the tape image exists at MIM::
Where is that kit?
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