On 2 Oct 2013, at 22:51, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 10/02/2013 03:18 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote: Emacs has too high of a learning curve for me...with vi I prefer vim. Emacs has an OBSCENE learning curve. But if you give it the time that it takes, it will reward you for the rest of your life. I full agree with that sentiment, I can use Emacs to a basic degree (I don't progam in elisp or anything) and it is a very effective editor. Shame it doesn't come as standard on all *nix boxes, I have to revert to vi (UNIX) or nano/pico (most Linux distros) Emacs builds on most everything, and is packaged for most (all?) Linux distributions. Quite often I'm on a client server which won't let me install anything outside the formal spec, never mind compile it. Usually the servers don't even HAVE a C compiler installed. So then it's traumatizing trip back to vi-land..