30 Aug
2018
30 Aug
'18
9:37 p.m.
Hi,
I'm off to Seattle in a few days for a bit of a break. I'll be visiting the Living
Computers Museum there to play with their VAX 785, DECSystem 20, etc. while sitting right
next to them :)
There may be photos...
Just FYI
Keith
30 Aug
30 Aug
10:37 p.m.
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On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 12:37 PM, Keith Halewood <
Keith.Halewood at pitbulluk.org> wrote:
Hi,
I?m off to Seattle in a few days for a bit of a break. I?ll be visiting
the Living Computers Museum there to play with their VAX 785, DECSystem 20,
etc. while sitting right next to them J
There may be photos?
Just FYI
Keith
1:34 a.m.
On 2018-08-30 21:37, Keith Halewood wrote:
Hi,
I?m off to Seattle in a few days for a bit of a break. I?ll be visiting
the Living Computers Museum there to play with their VAX 785, DECSystem
20, etc. while sitting right next to them J
There may be photos?
Just FYI
Ask them when on earth they are going to hook up to HECnet. ;-)
I mentioned it once or twice to Rich, and told them they need to bring
an 11/70 up running RSX, but little have happened. :-)
Oh yeah, if you meet Rich, say hello.
Johnny
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1:40 a.m.
On 08/30/2018 07:34 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Ask them when on earth they are going to hook up to
HECnet. ;-)
I mentioned it once or twice to Rich, and told them they need to bring
an 11/70 up running RSX, but little have happened. :-)
LSSM has an 11/70 running RSX. It's on HECnet every time we bring it
up. Just FYI.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
1:43 a.m.
That's nice. What's the name of that machine btw?
And Magica is also a real 11/70 and it's online 24/7. But it would be nice to see LCM
also manage doing this.
Johnny
Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> skrev: (31 augusti 2018 01:40:32 CEST)
On 08/30/2018 07:34 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
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Skickat fr?n min Android-enhet med K-9 Mail. Urs?kta min f?ordighet.
Ask them when on earth they are going to hook up
to HECnet. ;-)
I mentioned it once or twice to Rich, and told them they need to
bring
an 11/70 up running RSX, but little have
happened. :-)
LSSM has an 11/70 running RSX. It's on HECnet every time we bring it
up. Just FYI.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
2:50 a.m.
On 08/30/2018 07:43 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
That's nice. What's the name of that machine
btw?
FANG, 61.5.
And Magica is also a real 11/70 and it's online
24/7.
Must be nice to have cheap power. ;)
But it would be nice to see LCM also manage doing
this.
Yes it would.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
1 Sep
1 Sep
12:53 a.m.
On 2018-08-31 02:50, Dave McGuire wrote:
Well. Even better is having the support of a University.
Not sure if power in Sweden can be classified as that cheap anymore.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 08/30/2018 07:43 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Cool.
That's nice. What's the name of that
machine btw?
FANG, 61.5. And Magica is
also a real 11/70 and it's online 24/7.
Must be nice to have cheap power. ;)
12:57 a.m.
New subject: power and funding, was Re: Visit to the Living Computers Museum
On 08/31/2018 06:53 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Well. Even better is having the support of a University.
Not sure if power in Sweden can be classified as that cheap anymore.
Ahh. Lucky man. ;) It's all out of pocket on this end, almost always
MY pocket.
We are finally starting to solicit donations, though, but for
something specific at first: shipment of a large shipping container of
mainframe hardware that has been donated. If anyone here can help
support the LSSM in that effort, please contact me privately.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
And Magica is also a real 11/70 and it's online
24/7.
?? Must be nice to have cheap power. ;) 
7:15 p.m.
Holy shit!
Even at the highest tier it's under $0.10 here in Georgia.
On Sat, Sep 1, 2018, 13:10 Robert Armstrong <bob at jfcl.com> wrote:
Not sure if
power in Sweden can be classified as that cheap anymore.
What's the going rate, per kWh?
Here in California, the marginal rate (i.e. the above baseline rate) is
about $0.27/kWh. Baseline is, I think, about 22 or 24 cents (I'd have to
check my bill to be sure).
Bob
7:36 p.m.
We're paying about $0.11 here, commercial rate/3-phase.
-Dave
On 09/01/2018 01:15 PM, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Holy shit!
Even at the highest tier it's under $0.10?here in Georgia.
On Sat, Sep 1, 2018, 13:10 Robert Armstrong <bob at jfcl.com
<mailto:bob at jfcl.com>> wrote:
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Not sure if power in Sweden can be classified as
that cheap anymore.
? What's the going rate, per kWh?
? Here in California, the marginal rate (i.e. the above baseline
rate) is
about $0.27/kWh.? ?Baseline is, I think, about 22 or 24 cents (I'd
have to
check my bill to be sure).
Bob
10:28 p.m.
In Texas here you have a whole assortment of plans.? You can get a plan that uses only
power generated by solar or by wind or by hydro.? Plans that have "free" power
on weekends and you paw for weekdays, or vice versa.? Or pay for evenings only.? Just
about any situation imaginable.? My current plan has a 12-month contract.? I pay OnCor
(the local power company) $3.49/month plus 3.4556 cents per KWh.? I pay Reliant (the power
supplier) $5.00/month plus 3.7 cents per KWh. Averaging about 7.7 cents total per KWh.?
Highest bill so far was July - $164.18 for 2184.4 KWh.? But I haven't re-assembled my
hardware yet so that doesn't include any computer costs other than my personal Mac
Pro, my work laptop and my wife's two computers. I have yet to put up my MSA SAN
disks, two XP1000's, MicroVAX 3100 M95 or my RX2660 and ZX6000.
The great thing about living in Ohio was that for about 5 months I could open the windows
and have Mother nature cool the basement. In Texas the winter will barely be cool enough
to do anything. I'm sure I'll be paying more to run less and probably keep more
shut down when not in use.
John H Reinhardt
On 9/1/2018 12:36 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
We're paying about $0.11 here, commercial
rate/3-phase.
-Dave
On 09/01/2018 01:15 PM, Brian Hechinger wrote:
> Holy shit!
>
> Even at the highest tier it's under $0.10?here in Georgia.
>
> On Sat, Sep 1, 2018, 13:10 Robert Armstrong <bob at jfcl.com
> <mailto:bob at jfcl.com>> wrote:
>
> >Not sure if power in Sweden can be classified as that cheap anymore.
>
> ? What's the going rate, per kWh?
>
> ? Here in California, the marginal rate (i.e. the above baseline
> rate) is
> about $0.27/kWh.? ?Baseline is, I think, about 22 or 24 cents (I'd
> have to
> check my bill to be sure).
>
> Bob
>
10:29 p.m.
Wow. Well I must say that all that plan flexibility does sound nice!
-Dave
On 09/01/2018 04:28 PM, John H. Reinhardt wrote:
In Texas here you have a whole assortment of plans.?
You can get a plan
that uses only power generated by solar or by wind or by hydro.? Plans
that have "free" power on weekends and you paw for weekdays, or vice
versa.? Or pay for evenings only.? Just about any situation imaginable.?
My current plan has a 12-month contract.? I pay OnCor (the local power
company) $3.49/month plus 3.4556 cents per KWh.? I pay Reliant (the
power supplier) $5.00/month plus 3.7 cents per KWh. Averaging about 7.7
cents total per KWh.? Highest bill so far was July - $164.18 for 2184.4
KWh.? But I haven't re-assembled my hardware yet so that doesn't include
any computer costs other than my personal Mac Pro, my work laptop and my
wife's two computers. I have yet to put up my MSA SAN disks, two
XP1000's, MicroVAX 3100 M95 or my RX2660 and ZX6000.
The great thing about living in Ohio was that for about 5 months I could
open the windows and have Mother nature cool the basement. In Texas the
winter will barely be cool enough to do anything. I'm sure I'll be
paying more to run less and probably keep more shut down when not in use.
John H Reinhardt
On 9/1/2018 12:36 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
?? We're paying about $0.11 here, commercial
rate/3-phase.
???????????? -Dave
On 09/01/2018 01:15 PM, Brian Hechinger wrote:
> Holy shit!
>
> Even at the highest tier it's under $0.10?here in Georgia.
>
> On Sat, Sep 1, 2018, 13:10 Robert Armstrong <bob at jfcl.com
> <mailto:bob at jfcl.com>> wrote:
>
> ???? >Not sure if power in Sweden can be classified as that cheap
> anymore.
>
> ???? ? What's the going rate, per kWh?
>
> ???? ? Here in California, the marginal rate (i.e. the above baseline
> ???? rate) is
> ???? about $0.27/kWh.? ?Baseline is, I think, about 22 or 24 cents (I'd
> ???? have to
> ???? check my bill to be sure).
>
> ???? Bob
>
7:36 p.m.
On 09/01/2018 01:11 PM, Robert Armstrong wrote:
Holy shit. That's fucking ridiculous.
It's time to move, man.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Not sure if
power in Sweden can be classified as that cheap anymore.
What's the going rate, per kWh?
Here in California, the marginal rate (i.e. the above baseline rate) is
about $0.27/kWh. Baseline is, I think, about 22 or 24 cents (I'd have to
check my bill to be sure). 
8:08 p.m.
Holy shit. That's fucking ridiculous.
https://www.pge.com/tariffs/electric.shtml
Those are residential rates, of course - I've no idea what commercial
customers pay.
It's time to move, man.
Say that in January...
Bob
8:13 p.m.
On 09/01/2018 02:08 PM, Robert Armstrong wrote:
That's absolutely absurd.
I will! Finally escaping southwest Florida meant that I no longer had
had to run the air conditioning in January. ;)
Everything I do in my life generates heat, which I have to pay to have
removed. Moving to a cooler climate was the smartest thing I've ever done.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Holy shit.
That's fucking ridiculous.
https://www.pge.com/tariffs/electric.shtml
Those are residential rates, of course - I've no idea what commercial
customers pay. It's time
to move, man.
Say that in January... 
8:36 p.m.
On Sep 1, 2018, at 11:13 AM, Dave McGuire <mcguire
at neurotica.com> wrote:
Everything I do in my life generates heat, which I have to pay to have
removed. Moving to a cooler climate was the smartest thing I've ever done.
One of the smart things I did was move my ?datacenter? out to the Garage. The downside
is, if it gets too hot, the VMS HW gets powered down, but with virtualizing most of that,
the only thing I had to power off was my XP1000 and PDXVAX. By next summer, I hope to
have found time to virtualize my area router.
Actually you?ve given me an idea, I?m working to design a Darkroom, which I plan to wall
in out there. I should be able to utilize the heat from the ?datacenter? in the winter to
help keep it warm. Then I just have to deal with cooling it in the warmer months. Anyone
ever experiment with creating a rack that acts as a heat source?
Zane
8:55 p.m.
>Moving to a cooler climate was the smartest thing
I've ever done.
You can't take your machine room with you everywhere you go. It's nice to be
able to go outside in Jan or Feb and not need a coat, although I do find that I need
socks. Sandal season runs from about March thru November :-)
Bob
8:57 p.m.
On 09/01/2018 02:55 PM, Robert Armstrong wrote:
Ahh, but I have a different approach: I just avoid going outside! ;)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
> Moving to
a cooler climate was the smartest thing I've ever done.
You can't take your machine room with you everywhere you go. It's nice to be
able to go outside in Jan or Feb and not need a coat, although I do find that I need
socks. Sandal season runs from about March thru November :-)
9:15 p.m.
On Sep 1, 2018, at 11:55 AM, Robert Armstrong <bob
at jfcl.com> wrote:
Up here, Birkenstock season is January 1st to December 31st.
Zane
> Moving to a cooler climate was the smartest
thing I've ever done.
You can't take your machine room with you everywhere you go. It's nice to be
able to go outside in Jan or Feb and not need a coat, although I do find that I need
socks. Sandal season runs from about March thru November :-)
Bob
9:22 p.m.
In the UK I pay 13.29p per Kw plus 19.22p per day standing charge (that?s about ?6.00 per
month). In dollars that?s a bout $0.17 per unit and $7.80 per week.
In Spain I (think) I pay 0.13? per unit. The standing charge depends on the maximum
contracted load. Its about 4? per month per kwh
Dave
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From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE <owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE> On
Behalf Of Robert Armstrong
Sent: 01 September 2018 19:08
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: RE: [HECnet] Visit to the Living Computers Museum
Holy shit. That's fucking ridiculous.
https://www.pge.com/tariffs/electric.shtml
Those are residential rates, of course - I've no idea what commercial
customers pay.
It's time to move, man.
Say that in January...
Bob
2 Sep
2 Sep
noon
On 2018-09-01 19:11, Robert Armstrong wrote:
In Sweden? I think it's more than 10 cents. 15 maybe.
But I would have to ask around some to know for sure, since I don't live
there anymore...
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Not sure if
power in Sweden can be classified as that cheap anymore.
What's the going rate, per kWh? 
12:34 p.m.
In the Netherlands it?s appr. 0.25 euro/kWhr
The political promise is that if we reduce gass consumption (the price of natural gass
goes up) that the price of electricity will eventually go down.
Hans
Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone
Op 2 sep. 2018 om 12:00 heeft Johnny Billquist <bqt
at softjar.se> het volgende geschreven:
On 2018-09-01 19:11, Robert Armstrong wrote:
In Sweden? I think it's more than 10 cents. 15 maybe.
But I would have to ask around some to know for sure, since I don't live there
anymore...
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Not sure
if power in Sweden can be classified as that cheap anymore.
What's the going
rate, per kWh?
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